In the manga, Sasuke is able to cut Juubi Madara in half with a chakra-covered sword during the war. However, it is unclear whether Sasuke’s actual sword covered in chakra is actually his. In Chapter 657, Uchiha Madara asks Sasuke to join his side, claiming they are the last of the Uchiha clan. Madara lost his eyes and could still labsorb Sasuke’s Amaterasu, Hashirama’s Senchakra, and some guy’s Kyuubi Cloak Chakra. After being reanimated, Madara took down the Five Kage due to his infinite chakra reserves. He defeated Naruto, Sasuke, and Obito, but needed sharper senses to dodge and avoid damage.
Sasuke and Madara have some of the largest chakra reserves, surpassing Hashirama due to the Six Paths chakra. During the Great War arc, Madara used the Preta Path to absorb all incoming ninjutsu, making him immune to chakra-based abilities. Sasuke’s perfect Susanoo sword blocked the Nonobuko sword without damage, making Obito’s strongest attack stronger than Madara’s rival.
The Sage and Kaguya spread their power, allowing them to surpass Madara and defeat the Uchiha clan. Madara was able to use a Storm Release technique due to his Six Paths Power, but he couldn’t fully hurt Madara as he needed Sage power to do so. The Uchiha never tried learning Sage Mode, as they didn’t want it in the first place. Sasuke states that the power given by the Sage Of the Six Paths allowed him to harm Madara’s Limbo.
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Is Rinnegan Madara stronger than Hashirama?
Madara, a powerful character, faced Hashirama Prime in a battle that nearly ended in a draw. Hashirama stabbed Madara from behind, but Madara used Izanagi to defend herself. Madara obtained Hashirama cells and Rinnegan, making him stronger. This allowed her to defeat Edo Hashirama, a weaker opponent than Prime Hashirama. Madara also defeated Sasuke, Tobirama, and the Tailed Beasts, and defeated the 5 Kage and Shinobi Alliance. Quora users argue that Hashirama’s strength is attributed to his ability to use Izanagi and Hashirama cells.
Why can’t Sasuke use Rinnegan like pain?
In Naruto Shippuden, Sasuke admits defeat and pledges to help Konoha, a village that has been significantly impacted by Rinnegan users like Madara and Pain. Sasuke may not have been overusing his Rinnegan abilities due to the high cost of chakra, which has caused significant grief to his hometown and other villages.
Sasuke could refrain from using the Rinnegan eye to bring attention to himself or his village, as many soldiers lost their lives during the Fourth War, some of which were to Rinnegan users. The first arc of Naruto falsely introduced Haku as an Anbu member of a Corpse Processing Team, which aims to find and dispose of missing ninjas before their body parts, like a Uchiha’s eyes, can be stolen and sold.
The most likely reason Sasuke uses the Rinnegan eye on missions sparingly is to avoid gaining attention or starting trouble with others who may view the Uchiha as a target. The use of the Rinnegan eye has caused significant grief to the world and has become a popular meme among fans.
Is 6 tomoe Rinnegan stronger than Rinnegan?
The Tomoe Rinnegan currently possesses an advantage over the ordinary Rinnegan due to its capacity to retain both existing and novel Sharingan abilities, as evidenced in the case of Boruto.
Why didn’t Naruto use Six Paths Sage Mode against Isshiki?
The lack of activity and pronounced nervousness exhibited by Naruto resulted in a gradual decline in his abilities, yet he managed to retain his abilities to seek truth, generate boils, utilize magnetism, and release magma, among others, as observed in the SOSP.
Did Sasuke surpass Madara?
Sasuke, a Kage-level shinobi, becomes stronger after honing his skills and taking on a formidable opponent. He awakens Rinnegan and achieves the deadliest feats, becoming the strongest Uchiha of all time. Naruto, the Jinchuriki of Nine-Tails, is perceived as a monster by his village but follows his instincts to become the strongest shinobi. During the Pain Assault arc, Naruto saves everyone and becomes the hero of his village.
With the Chakra of Nine-Tails and Senjutsu, Naruto becomes the deadliest force in the series. He obtains chakra from the Sage of Six Paths and power from all Tailed-Beasts, making him the most powerful shinobi in the current era.
How was the guy able to hurt Madara?
Might Guy, a master at hand-to-hand combat, has demonstrated his skills numerous times throughout Naruto. He defeated Kisame and Madara Uchiha during the Fourth Great Ninja War, using the Eight Inner Gates to overwhelm them. His Night Guy technique nearly killed Madara, but the toll of the Eight Inner Gates made it ineffective. Might Guy and his student Rock Lee demonstrated that intense training with taijutsu can bridge the gap between those with and without talent.
Rasengan, also known as Konoha’s Yellow Flash, was a once-in-a-generation prodigy who became the Hokage of his village at a young age. His skills led to the end of the Third Great Ninja War, showcasing the impressive abilities of these individuals.
Why does Sasuke have 6 tomoe in his Rinnegan?
Sasuke Uchiha did not possess a standard pair of Rinnegan due to the fact that he received Hagoromo’s chakra directly from him. This resulted in the formation of six tomoe Rinnegan over the sharingan.
Can Sasuke use six paths in senjutsu?
Sasuke is renowned for his Six Paths Chakra, yet he is not proficient in Six Paths Senjutsu.
How much weaker is Sasuke without his Rinnegan?
Despite the loss of six path techniques, he remains a top-tier practitioner of verse. While his abilities are not as formidable as those of Naruto’s Sage, he is still outclassed by the Gokage and Konoha 11 members. His primary combat technique is the Sharingan, rather than the Rinnegan.
Why can t Sasuke deactivate his Rinnegan but Madara can?
Those who possess another individual’s Rinnegan, such as Nagato, Obito, and Edo Tensei Madara, are unable to deactivate it due to the inherent limitations associated with utilizing both their personal Rinnegan or the artificially created ones of Edo Tensei Madara.
Is Sasuke Rinnegan weaker than Madara?
Sasuke and Madara, descendants of Indra Otsutsuki, were two of the most powerful shinobi in Naruto history due to their unique abilities and lineage. Both exhibited exceptional talent in ninjutsu and strategic combat, with Madara possessing formidable abilities like the Ten-Tails’ jinchuriki form. Sasuke’s superior Mangekyo Sharingan and Rinnegan techniques give him a slight edge as the strongest Uchiha in history.
Both played significant roles in Masashi Kishimoto’s Naruto, with Sasuke as the rival of the series’ protagonist and Madara as a main antagonist during the Fourth Shinobi World War. They were the only Uchiha to awaken both the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan and the Rinnegan, making them among the strongest shinobi in Naruto history alongside Hashirama Senju and Naruto Uzumaki.
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It ultimately doesn’t matter what we think. They’ll make Sasuke as weak as they want him to be to service the plot regardless of any established logic we try to use. We thought Naruto would still have access to SPSM but it turns out he lost that with Kurama. My guess is that they’ll make Sasuke about as strong as Naruto since in the past Kishi has always tried to portray their strength as about the same
when obito wanted sakura to destroy the rinnegan, it was with a kunai, so i would say it’s safe to assume that any damage to the rinnegan renders it useless. Also because they seem keen on nerfing sasuke and naruto to the ground, it’s very likely that the rinnegan is nothing more than a chunk of useless flesh inside his skull
I mean, he should have more chakra available without the rinnegan draining so much of his chakra. He’s always shown with the EMS and Rinne-sharingan active at all times (he can lose tomoe for his rinnegan when he’s running low which is an indicator he’s lower on chakra). He can still use susanoo, Amaterasu, fire style, lightning cloak, chidori, etc. Sasuke isn’t a big damage blitzing character, he’s more tactical and methodical. He can definitely use susanoo which still has the strongest defense in the series. He can still fight at his current speed bc of the lighting ability he covers himself with, he’s just missing chibaku tensei, the portals and the swap ability. I think he’s going to be portrayed as noticeably weaker but IMO this should make him fight longer due to having less chakra drainage.
in the anime when naruto gets kidnapped, he lands a few taijutsu blows in his base form, an same for sasuke. yet, when naruto activates the nine tails cloak, it seems sasuke also powers up…just by pushing his hair out the way of his rinnegan. Maybe thats how he “turns it on”? Kinda of like how kakashi used to have a permanent sharingan that he would keep covered until it was time to use..
If the rinnegan is still functional after being gouged out of someone’s eyes, and not even being surgically implanted into another user, then yes Sasuke’s rinnegan should still be functional (as in not completely destroyed). But obviously, he doesn’t have the genetics to heal the eye. The rules may differ now since we’re in Boruto, but if they get some sage of six paths chakra, that eye should be good as new. If the rules ARE the same, we know that the rinnegan does not easily rot away and most likely does not need to be preserved like a normal sharigan. Obito was able to retrieve the sharigan from Nagato’s dead, mal-nutritioned corpse with no issues. OR, they could experiment with Otsutsuki genes since Kamaki is already 80% and perform a surgery on Sasuke’s eyes(that is if Amado agrees to comply). Honestly speaking, none of these suggestions are impossible, but they are all dependent on what Sasuke chooses to do with his eye (just like his decision with his arm).
I think there’s going to be a way to restore his Rinnegan abilities. It’s going to be one of those situations where Sauske is going to turn it down just like he turned down the left arm Tsunade made for him but I think that if you implant Hashirama’s cells into that eye socket he’d gain access to the regenerative abilities that Hashirama had and Obito had his arm regrow several times after having it cut off in several points of the series. Also we’ve seen Hashirama’s cells work in tandum with Uchiha DNA by giving Danzo access to high level ocular jutsu while being an average Kage level ninja.
The way I prefer to look at the rinnegan is as a focus/ non-linear amplifier moreso than anything else. The rinnegan doesn’t just make you ‘stronger’. It magnifies your chakra by offering a greater level of focus and greater ease at utilizing this more-concentrated chakra. With the rinnegan, the name of the game is efficiency, moreso than raw strength. In the same way that ninjas use chakra to enhance their bodies, the rinnegan offers the means to significantly amplify these enhancements by strengthening the passive and active focus of the user. Sasuke’s rinnegan basically took what was already there and amplified it by concentrating it all with greater efficacy. The reason his amp was so strong is because he also received the 6 paths chakra, which added to his own reserves and THEN was concentrated and amplified even further by his 6 paths rinnegan. All of this to say that yes, losing the rinnegan should make Sasuke significantly physically weaker since he has lost the amplifying qualities of the rinnegan and thus is no longer able to concentrate his reserves to the same level of efficiency or density as before. His chakra is just as strong as before, but he can’t use it nearly as well. I base this largely on the fact that Sasuke has been able to keep up with KCM Naruto since receiving his rinnegan when he was barely able to even follow the movements of the 4th Raikage without relying heavily on Susanoo’s protection with just a regular mangekyou. Naruto in just base KCM was able to completely outpace A at full speed and this was BEFORE he managed KCM2 and became that much stronger and faster, then again with adding sage mode to KCM2 then AGAIN with Six paths sage mode’s additional bonkers increase.
An ocular jutsu is a JUTSU, meaning, a manifestation of the user’s chakra. This is WHY Sasuke gained the Rinnegan when he was given Six Paths Chakra. Presumably, a lot of that chakra is physically stored in the eye, but it’s hard to believe Sasuke would lose all of his Six Paths Chakra just because he lost the eye which was being modified by it. In other words, technically he should be able to turn his other eye into a Rinnegan (Just like Madara did by combining Hashirama’s cells with his own and thereby acquiring a trace of six paths chakra), but it would probably take a while since he has to replenish that chakra first…. and that’s assuming he even CAN replenish it. Since he’s not a Sage, it’s not like he can transform nature energy into it like Naruto does, so, he might have to get a graft from Naruto’s body or something like that.
I think when Sasuke originally lost his vision his susanoo deactivated because he only had the regular Mangekyo, but the eternal mangekyo is probably Literally ETERNAL, meaning even if he loses both his eyes he can still use sharingan based powers like the susanoo, i think it’s also possible to assume that the process of taking someone else’s eyes to get the Eternal mangekyo works by binding some of the soul and chakra of the former owner of the eyes to the new one allowing him to use both mangekyo powers, also another thing that supports this theory is that all the eyes of the Uchiha clan were stored in perfect condition by Obito, which would be impossible IRL, the eyes would become useless nearly instantly after death of the user.
I’m not even 15% sure on this, but I think it would be in his character to hide the fact that his Rinnegan may actually still be functional. His wife one of the greatest medical ninja around, and with no looming threats beyond Momoshiki, there’s no reason for him to act if though it is functional. Also with the looming threat of Momoshiki, it would clearly be the best idea to make Momoshiki believe that the Rinnegan’s gone, so he could use it as a trump card. I’m not saying any of this is true. I’m just saying that it is within possibility and an interesting thing to think about.
I always assumed Sasuke’s rinnegan was the equivalent of a pair of rinnegan+one EMS so him losing it would do the following in therms of how powerful his multipliers are now: -reduce his EMS amp to less than half -remove his rinnegan amp -reduce his choku tomoe amp to less than half -can only use regular full body susanoo at best
Madara being able to project the Susano’o has me fully under the belief that once you unlock EMS, the Susano’o and his MS ability are no longer tied to the strength of his eye, but rather his whole body now. A full link with his chakra network, so to speak. It’s why Sasuke doesn’t bleed from his eyes anymore, and why his Susano’o isn’t able to dissipate by any physical damage or strain through his eyes like he did before he nabbed EMS. It has fully integrated the power into him. This is just my own opinion of course, but I’d say it’s good evidence to say that Sasuke would have access to his full Susano’o forms. The Perfect Susano’o can be weaker as a result of having only one eye now, but I wouldn’t say that his access to any of the forms is restricted by having the rinnegan taken. Hell, if Madara could do it with no eyes, a stronger adult Sasuke could absolutely pull it off. Edit: Sasuke does bleed through his eyes actually. Definitely wrong on that one, but I still stand firm on the Susano’o point.
Theoretically Sasuke should actually have better chakra reserves in future battles now that he isn’t starting every fight already weakened from dimensional travel. And he won’t have to worry about saving chakra for the perfect Susanoo or burning through chakra by spamming his body switching move anymore. He should be free to diversify his arsenal with more abilities that aren’t as taxing on his chakra
We really need sasuke to get some character development, but idk how. he was pretty much fully developed in shippuden but it would be interesting to see a new story about him which could result in some sort of power boost like Naruto getting baryon mode (but giving sasuke such a development pretty much guarantees we are getting closer to a death scene, if the writers want to make a good one)
10:37 – The vast majority of the chakra given to Sasuke from Hago was from the Yin seal, rather than the eye. Which is why there was more focus on his seal than his rinnegan, also when Sasuke tells Naruto to use his Six paths sennin chakra on Madara, Sasuke also says “And I too have Six Paths chakra” then the camera pans to his seal, rather than his Rinnegan, narratively implying that his massive boost comes from that. It still isnt very clear whether the rinnegan comes directly from Hago, or whether his rinnegan comes from the Hashi cells given to him by Kabuto AND THEN, enhanced by Hago due to that being half of the catalyst that allowed Hago to appear, along with Naruto finally receiving all tailed beast chakra, these were pre-requisites. 10:55 – In the Boruto anime, around like 3 episodes ago, Sasuke straight up tells Sarada that he lost his rinnegan and that was a “large source of power for him”. Meaning no, there shouldnt be any chakra clinging to him at all from his rinnegan. I personally dont believe Sasuke can use the PS any longer, as that was only granted to him once he had gotten his Rinnegan. He isn’t like Madara or Kakashi who were able to unlock it whilst still only wielding their EMS/MS. Him being stronger than Naruto now is fairly iffy, considering even Naruto as a teen with Sage Mode was still relative to his KCM state – We see this when he fights the 3rd Raikage, as well as when he bodied half Kurama. This is a much much weaker Naruto, with a much less mastered SM, and even though back then it was only half Kurama.
It’s always worth bearing in mind that two rinnegan were enough to completely overhaul Nagato into an honest-to-god deity. While we can only guess how strong he would’ve been without it, with just Tendo, he was basically on par with a Sage Naruto, Naruto who would later go on to basically run the kage gauntlet. As a nerfed edo, he tanked a lariat and roflstomped both KCM1 Naruto and V2 Bee at the same time. Regardless of how these scenes are interpreted, that’s probably leaps and bounds above what, say, most base form Uzamakis we saw up until that point should be capable of doing. Sasuke losing a unique ninja-jesus rinnegan is going to have a catastrophic effect on his power level, with this in mind.
I feel talking about Sasuke’s Rinnegan is very hard to do as it is quite literally the only one of its kind. I also feel that a lot of the things we know or assume can be changed by the author. If Sasuke puts in his old eye with the MS Sharingan will it change to an EMS because he already has the imprint/chakra of it? Can his old eye change in to a Rinnegan from some unknown mean? Can he awaken a new Rinnegan from either Hashirama’s cells or Naruto’s cells? On to the Susano’o I don’t think it’s fair to compare Madara and Itachi to Sasuke. Sasuke literally spammed his MS almost as soon as he got going blind far earlier than either of those two. They had far more practice and knowledge of the jutsu that they could keep it functional/activate while blind.
Something I’d like to point out that I see no one talking about is the fact that using the Rinnegan (at least in Boruto) used up a considerable amount of chakra for Sasuke, as least most noticable when using the dimensional transportation jutsu. I would say there’s an argument that Sasuke could become more of an efficient fighter without the relying on the Rinnegan’s huge chakra cost. Keyword there: Efficient, not stronger. He could last much longer in fight’s than previously seen in Boruto, but not use the extravagant power he once had.
I feel like what they’re going for is Naruto is a much more skilled version of Sage Naruto and Sasuke is a much more skilled version of EMS Sasuke and it seems like they’re trying to keep them about equal, from what it looks like to me minus some brief points in the series like right after the Pain arc and before the Five Kage Summit they have been pretty consistently equal, with Sasuke having the slight advantage probably up until that point and Naruto arguably having the slight advantage later on, I think that’s actually be a mental thing though Sasuke being able to keep both of his Mangekyo Sharingan powers and Susano’o does seem a little inconsistent and confusing comparing him to Obito, but it’s possible that maybe it works differently when you have had those things previously and then the eye is taken away instead of never having the eye (it takes two Mangekyo Sharingan to unlock all of the powers but you only need to keep one to retain them) either that or the fact that the eye is still technically there is allowing him to keep some of the abilities, either way it would be a bit simpler if they just reverted Sasuke’s eye back, I didn’t get into this series until last year but knowing other people are a bit confused too helps me feel better
Remember that Madara died with his real body at the end of Shippuden. Which means that his eyes are still available. I believe Kanoha took his body and his eyes and store it somewhere. They will be giving sasuke the eyes soon. Also Fugaku still have his eye somewhere. Kanoha could be storing his eyes somewhere. Same goes with Sasuke original eyes. The eye that sasuke is using is Itachi.
My guess is that the rinnegan works like a separate tool meaning it’s a tool that has abilities that come with it that being the six paths abilities and the extra ability that’s unique to the user (ex. Madaras limbo jail) it doesn’t come with a chakra boost of any kind because that really wouldn’t make sense because if it did why would it ever use any of the users normal chakra when it would have it’s own chakra flow in my opinion it works by websiteing the users chakra through itself thus creating rinnegan chakra you need rinnegan chakra to be able to access it’s abilities hence why it makes sense why Obito couldn’t use two because it would be funneling too much of his normal chakra to make its own like how kakashi at first had trouble with the sharingan due to it’s chakra drain point is I don’t think the rinnegan amps chakra it just gives you new abilities as for the amps in question I believe that came from hagaromo giving Sasuke his chakra Sasuke’s rinnegan awakening is just the by-product of having hagaromos chakra (whilst having a sharingan which I think is a prerequisite since Naruto didn’t awaken a rinnegan too) so Sasuke not having rinnegan chakra means he can longer funnel chakra through the rinnegan so no more abilities the susanoo is up in the air because technically indra did use a perfect susanoo without the rinnegan but maybe you can just consider that non Canon
I really wanted to see Sausake at full strength. Like I know he showed his strength during his fight with Naruto at the end but I wanted to see him in adult mode. Even naruto stil gave us some good fights showing at least 80% of strength. I really don’t think Sausake went all out since the war or at least a little bit of the jigen fight
madara never really used full ability of two rinnegan, obito was afraid for real because he knew that no other uchiha had more experience than madara because he was living from decades and he knew many secret jutsu without eye, with sharingan, even with one rinnegan he formed limbo,purple lightning and all unexpected jutsu. with two rinnegan he didn’t really had any weakness as shown
It really is up to where the writers want to take his character, there are so many different ways it can go it’s really just up to how the choose to write it. I think the rinnegan was simply just an eye, and gave him special abilities but the chakra he was given from the sage is where his raw power boost came from. His eye did get stabbed, however I believe just through logic it will heal over time and he will gain some sort of use out of it, it wasn’t sealed or removed. We have yet to see him fight without it so it’s definitely a guessing game as there are so many different routes they could take. Regardless I do think sasuke will be stronger than naruto in his current state if it came to a straight up fight.
It’s not at all weird that Sasuke still possesses his MS abilities. You could even argue he possess weak variants of Rinnegan abilities based purely on the fact Madara could use the Susanoo whilst blind… as well as use the prata path to absorb chakra from shinobi… prior to getting the rinnegan back EDIT: I personally believe he will maintain the perfect Susanoo and MS abilities. However, I believe he will retain NOTHING from the Rinnegan. My justification for this is that Sasuke’s rinnegan is not truly his own. In cases where a Dojutsu belong to someone they are able to deactivate it. In the opposite cases (with Kakashi, Ao, Nagato, Obito and now Sasuke) they are not able to do this. Unlike naturally attained power, borrowed power cannot be kept. Sasuke’s rinnegan was simply a gift from Hagoromo. As for the unique ability and the tomoe… Hyuga byakugans implanted in Otsutsuki are changed, we could assume something similar occurs for Rinnegan but in reverse. It’s a reach, but better than nothing
He should have perfect susanoo…that is an ems ability or sixth path chakra ability….sasuke has ems and kakashi had six path chakra from obito when he did it..sasuke really is no different…in fact i d argue he still op without the ability to teleport, absorb chakra, take souls, gravity control, or reserect-COUGH-COUGH WHICH HE BARELY USED BY THE WAYYYYY
I think he still has access to the Susanoo. When the Mangekyo sharingan (or the regular one) was explained it was shown that when the Sharingan awakens or when it makes changes to your brain (I think it released special chakra into it) This leads me to believe that’s the reason how Madara could use Susanoo with no eyes and how Itachi had it active while being blind (and the Sharingan inactive) I don’t really know what to think about the Perfect Susanoo though. If the Rinnegan chakra amp is a real thing he may have access to it depending on how much (or if any) of that chakra is still there.
i mean here is an interesting idea, if a villain is just smacking around everyone couldnt he have tsunade like give him some of her cells and while not as strong as he was from the six paths rinnegan he would acquire the rinnegan? im sorry if i was wrong there or if thats not how it works but i think if he needs to he could do what he needs to and with tsunades cells, a senju would that work? oh or like someone else said in chat the senju cells could heal his eye
I think it’s pretty clear he still have susanoo, Madara had without eyes… And kakashi could use the perfect susanoo without EMS, I don’t see why the perfect susanoo would have a different restriction about using it after lose sharingan if that was not stated anywhere, also, Madara did not used his perfect susanoo because he didn’t need to, the same reason he did not used the complete form, just the regular four arms version :s
I really liked your thought piece on how functional the chakra is within the destroyed Rinnegan and it me wonder if there was a way to heal it. I wonder if its possible to take one of the many Sharingan the Shin Uchiha clones have and transplant it into Sasuke. I don’t understand why you’re choosing to consider the time travel arc not cannon. I know you’re mostly talking about the manga but it would be interesting to hear your take with the arc in consideration. Denki’s father makes thunder trains based on an idea he got from Boruto which massively improves transportation throughout the village and we get to see Kirin! I wish more people talked about it and explain why people tend to brush away the arc.
There’s two options I see with Amaterasu: 1) The writers forgot which Sharingan eye does what and flipped Amaterasu/Kagutsuchi around — meaning he can’t use Kagutsuchi now but he can use Amaterasu. 2) Because he acquired Itachi’s eyes and enhanced his Mangekyo Sharingan, he has both Itachi’s innate Amaterasu ability as well as his own ability to manipulate it via Kagutsuchi — all in the same eye. Too early to tell which of the two.
Amaterasu was given to sasuke by his brother as an inherited trait. As long as he has at least one sharingan he can make the the flames. But that’s just my interpretation of it. Just like when obito gave kakashi his powers temporarily it’s the same idea for the uchiha brothers except their bonded by blood so the inherited trait becomes permanent as a result. But that was my takeaway
I think it’s safe to say he can use the Susanoo up to the version that Itachi was using, but anything beyond that is probably out of reach The weird part is, do we assume that all of Hagaromo’s gifted power to Sasuke was in the Rinnegan, or do we assume that like Naruto, he naturally absorbed the power into his “base” form? Depending on which one it is, Sasuke either stays relative to his Rinnegan self or is significantly weaker. It’s gonna be tough to say until he actually fights again, but I think most people are on the right track by saying that without the huge chakra cost of the Rinnegan, he’ll definitely be able to fight more efficiently without having to worry about running out of chakra
I think Sasuke actually has a theoretical path to getting his Rinnegan back, even if the original eye is completely busted. Madara awakened his own Rinnegan but implanting the Hashirama Cell into himself. Since he knew he was the reincarnation of Indra, and Hashirama, Ashura, he knew that if he implanted his cells the Rinnegan would eventually awaken. Since Sasuke and Naruto are the next reincarnations, They could take 1 Mangekyō sharingan from one of the many Shin Uchiha clones, implant it into Sasuke, have Naruto apply his chakra to the eye/into Sasuke’s body, and his Rinnegan would if not instantly, eventually awaken once again. In the meantime he could use Shin’s Mangekyō sharingan abilities (weapon control), until the Rinnegan eventually awakens. Any holes in this theory?
Before perusal: Lore wise, Sasuke should still be able to use his rinnegan abilities even after getting stabbed as we see with Madara absorbing chakra from both Hashirama and a random shinobi with nine tails cloak and all while being *blind*. Not to mention his susanoo and all of that. Writing wise…well nah that dude’s nerfed because….writing.
I was under the impression that Sasuke’s Rinnesharingan was a constant drain on his chakra reserves. Losing the eye might actually be a stamina buff for him. But one thing that writers seem to willingly overlook is how losing the eye gives Sasuke an opportunity to get even stronger. Sasuke was offered to get a Hashirama cells arm in the past, just like Naruto has, but he declined. Should he accept, he’ll gain access to the Rinnegan, which will give him some of his tools back. But since this is a regular Rinnegan, he should be able to revert it back to EMS and turn the thing completely off / on at will like Madara did. Now, Konoha might have gone full retard and gotten rid of their stockpile of Sharingans, but I’m fairly certain Orochimaru knows how to get his hands on one. (You can just grab a Shin, there’s plenty of those.) Since eyes are apparently plug and play, we might just have buffed Sasuke by providing him with two RInnegans and an eye he can afford to sacrifice for Izanagi / Izanami. Now, I’m fairly certain this will never happen, but it’s an interesting “what if” scenario. Losing so much firepower while there still are Otsutsukis running around the galaxy chopping down trees might force him to accept a new arm.
I would say at the very least, without his rinnegan, he’s as strong as he was during the war before he recieved the rinnegan. You could also argue that he may have gotten stronger, since he went on his journey of repentance, he had been constantly training and fighting. But in that same vein you could also argue he’s starting to weaken because he’s no longer in his prime, he’s in his early 30s which is when men typically start to physically wane
Sasuke would still be able to use the perfect sussano as once it’s unlocked it can never be lost. If the rinnegan gave people more chakra then madara wouldn’t have specifically looked a an uzumaki he would’ve just stuck it in an uchiha/obito since the uchiha already had pretty good reserves. The rinnegan was also never stated to give physical boosts as mentioned in your old articles
I’m going to say the same thing about this that i said about Naruto in your other article. Sasuke is exactly as strong or as weak as the plot needs him to be. The writing in Boruto is really really bad and you can basically just ignore any lore established in shippuden. My guess is he’ll be on par with Naruto, even though that makes absolutely no sense and both of them will either go the heroic sacrifice route or the “ace in the hole” route. Meaning they’ll either both end up dying to give boruto and his crew some kind of moral boost and push them to the next level, or they’re going to be kept in reserve and somehow just miraculously regain their full strength when they’re needed most. Either way, Boruto really should never have been made. Awful show, with awful writing, awful characters, that has completely ruined better characters, and rewritten or destroyed some of the coolest parts of the lore.
Ok so….. Current Sakura, how does she stack up to the nerfed Naruto and Sasuke ? I mean, they should be pretty close. At least, Sasuke and Sakura. I know how it sounds but that’s how it is. I mean, she actually could the shinoby with the biggest chakra pool right now, since there are not jinchur…
Just to put it out there Itachi still had access to his Mangekyo when he used his Susanoo but Sasuke lost his access Mangekyo so maybe that’s the reason why his Susanoo said bye bye. In any case all of them that used Susanoo with 1 eye did giveaways and could get them back but they were never destroyed so there’s that problem why it’s still unknown
From a writing perspective, it’s pretty clear what they’re trying to do: Nerf Naruto and Sasuke, possibly to further remove them from the spotlight of Boruto and Kawaki and raise stakes. I absolutely hate the way they went about doing that especially in Sasuke’s case, but that’s all to say his Rinnegan should effectively be considered as a total none factor. Any buff that he might logically have from it is not applicable, and we ought to take it that he no longer has it or any advantages that came from it.
I think Sasuke’s likely to still be around as strong as Naruto. Not due to any inaccuracies with the information you laid out, but just the fact that he is Naruto’s deuteragonist. From a writing standpoint, the safest assumption is that Sasuke won’t become significantly weaker than Naruto – or if he does, he will get a powerup to make up the difference. The same is true vice versa. They aren’t the “main characters” anymore, but the writers still try very hard to portray them as equals. They nerfed both to keep it that way, so I REALLY doubt they would make one nerf bigger than the other. Since it’s hard to tell just how nerfed Sasuke is, I think the safest assumption is that he’s still about relative to Naruto even if it seems like losing the rinnegan would be a bigger nerf. BUT I want to play devil’s advocate, so I’d just like to point out that Sasuke has consistently beaten Naruto in the past whenever they fight without flashy powerups like the ones they’ve now lost. Naruto usually needs his jinchuriki power to fight Sasuke because he struggles to get around the sharingan otherwise. I know the situation is different now since Naruto has genuinely turned himself into one of the most skilled fighters around and Sasuke no longer has the huge skill advantage he used to, but still, even if Sasuke IS a bit weaker than Naruto, he might actually win now if they 1v1d.
I mean going off of the anime they pretty much confirm Naruto wouldn’t be able to stop Borushiki without the power of Kurama, Sasuke even told Naruto that he should consider killing Boruto to prevent another onslaught from Momoshiki and that he no longer has Kurama to help, while at the same time Sasuke while weakened and no Rinnegan managed to combat Borushiki and forced him to retreat and play his card’s right in order. Sasuke also confirmed he hesitated in killing Borushiki and that he won’t make the same mistake again and this was a weakened Sasuke that just got done fighting Isshiki. So to answer the question between whom is stronger between Naruto and Sasuke I personally think Sasuke is stronger than Naruto.
From what I understand and remember from Naruto in the War arc, after Sasuke and Naruto’s revival and their SO6P amps they were stronger than Madara individually, and going by some things that I theorized a long time ago when it happened we can obviously assume Sasuke’s Rinnegan alone is a 3-4x amp from the regular Rinnegan and if that really is the case and if it does boost his chakra and his physical capabilities in combat, then it’s fine to assume that without the use of his Rinnegan with just his Sharingan alone he’s still relative or stronger than Naruto due to how he still has his EMS and how his EMS was possibly a Kyuubi Cloak v1.5/2 (either a partial or full transformation into Naruto’s strongest form before his SO6P amp) then he’s probably stronger than Naruto and the other Kage and the fact you brought up Sasuke’s moment where he went blind does have valid points where he possibly couldn’t use his Susano’o, but he has an EMS and since Madara could use his Susano’o while blind after he awakened EMS before he died then Sasuke should definitely be able to use it without a doubt, as for a Perfect Susano’o I have a theory on that, now as we know Perfect Susano’o is somewhere around as strong as a Ninetails level of power and thinking about it, the Perfect Susano’o should take a bunch of chakra to even use but I think Sasuke should be capable of using it due to a weaker version of Madara being able to use it in his fight with Hashirama, even with one eye and if his Rinnegan is just damaged and not actually destroyed entirely, he’s possibly able to just get it fixed by Sakura because of her medical ninjutsu, but even without it you can argue that it’s a valid point he’d be able to use Perfect Susano’o since him with EMS currently should be stronger than Madara when he had his last fight with Hashirama.
I totally disagree, it’s really less likely for sasuke to have all hagoromo’s chakra inside one eye, it’s explicit in every part of the manga when using an ocular power that you focus your chakra in the eye and that eye works as a catalyst, so i think that sasuke lost only his abilities because he has no more catalyst that focuses his chakra in a different ability granted by that specific catalyst, and the fact that not anyone can endure a rinnegan, only uchihas, senjus, uzumaki and people with very strong chakra proves this, cuz it would be like putting mortar projectiles in a 9 mm gun. You are ignoring the fact that sasuke was able to use majestic attire susanoo without the rinnegan in the fight against juubito, this means that he could do it if he already did it, so at worst he is equal to naruto cuz he wouldn’t have his perfect susanoo and his catalyst for abilities, and at best he is insanely more powerful cuz he would have perfect susanoo and still the physical amp based on what i said before,
Sasuke is still by far the strongest shinobi in exists right now still as he’s easily still way stronger than Naruto at this very point in time still, a mean Sasuke still has his Sharingan and Mangekou abilities, Lightning Cloak, Susano etc still. Naruto Sage mode alone isn’t gonna cut it alone right here now still and on top of that he needs prep to enter into Sage Mode still since he doesn’t have Kurama any longer to access it quite easily like before still, Sasuke stomps and it’s not even a question at this point still, the hell even a genjutsu once shits him still since no Kurama inside him to even help him break free of it anymore still man.
Sasuke can Perfect his Susanoo as long as he has an EMS and more importantly the chakra reserves necessary to construct it, even a MS user with enough chakra can perfect it like Indra did with Senjutsu& massive chakra. Blinded No eye Madara simply choose not to use the Perfect Susanoo because he didn’t need to exert that much force. He had just got his full chakra/power back from resurrection then used preta to acquire sage mode from Hashirama..he wanted to take those hits from the bijuu to feel the pain then once he had his fun he chained them up there was no need for him to pour his chakra into a perfect Susanoo when he could no diff them with Gedo chains
a point to the sharingan, Tobirama stated that the sharingan helps to unlock those abilities. If your body and brain get used to it you probably can use the abilities without the Eye just like Madara could you his susanoo even with no eyes and to the kakashi fight, his susanoo vanished not because of his eyes it vanished because he didnt really had any chakra left.
After a lot of work perusal reading comments and looking over the interwebs, imma give my point- Sasuke’s rennigan, seems to be as the rennisharigan (I say this since the tomoe) now if we look at something key (reference to the valley of the end fight after the war) we saw the black and white chidori and we also saw this in the first valley of the end fight, so we can use this as an indication that assume requires some sort of boost wether it’s the Cursed Seal of Heaven Stage 2, or Six Paths Sage Rennigan, (also please don’t slander me in the replies this a theory I’m thinking of, it’s my opinion not yours but feel free to chime in) so after we see both of these black and white chidoris, we never see them again after these fights and these fights are really showing the peak of power in both Naruto and Naruto Shippuden, both valley of the end fights, in short using the 2 chidoris and both fights I can come to the conclusion that sasukes rennigan lose is going to affect him a lot since he is losing, full body and all rennigan abilities (also is it odd we never see him use them more than 2 times?) now if we are going to talk about boosts of power we never see any visible boosts but we can just assume since the power of the rennigan is fucking massive in itself, sasuke gained a substantially larger boost such as speed durability .etc etc now if I were to guess this will show in combat and he might not be able to go toe to toe with an outsutsuki like as in the fight VS Kinshiki, so in short no rennigan sasuke is still strong enough but not as strong, bye bye also my fingers fucking hurt now.
Swagkage, can you make a short article (or long, it depends on the numbers of possible variables and details) about the true madara susano vs the full nine tails? Considering that 9 tails is immune somehow to genjutsu. It would be nice to see such a article, with all the complexity of the subject that i know you can deliver. Ps, no native english speaker, so sorry for any typping errors.
I remember back in the shippuden days when itachi was still alive there was a lore that said said that each mangekyo jutsu is assigned to a specific eye But it doesn’t mean it can only be a used by that eye it just means that the effect will be stronger when it’s used by the assigned eye. But then it is weird that obito never used kamui the way kakashi did and vice versa
Also, even with one EMS eye, he can still do everything he could with both EMS. Like you just said, Madara was able to do everything he could with both eyes when he only had one, or none. & Madara even explained why that is and how it doesn’t matter if the eyes themselves where gone, or just one. So yeah, Sasuke is fucking monstrous still.
Here’s something you could have done. Take ems Sasuke, remove perfect susanoo and add his ability to use every nature release and even use ice release and the Laurent’s gun. Sasuke has inferno style, perhaps his susanoo to some extent, every nature release including figuring out how to use a kg like moegi the only other person to do that. He’s pretty cracked . I’d at least say comparable to his fight with the ten tails.
The definition of the susanoo that sasuke, and i think itachi, gave was as follows: “When you awaken the sharingan in both eyes you can use the final power, the susanoo”. My theory is that if it takes 2 eyes to make a susanoo or in sasukes case the perfect susanoo, if it takes two eyes to make the eternal mangekyou sharingan then maybe. I know this probably sounds pretty stupid but just think about it and it makes a little sense.
Sasuke still has access to obitos lab that had all of the sharingan of fallen uchiha during the massacre, it’s possible his fathers mangekyo is still there, he may just implant one of his fathers eyes instead now since he’s practically blind in one eye, and maybe his fathers eyes ability to control tailed beasts will come into play when it’s time to deal with code and his ten tailed beast
The way I see it.. The ultimate stage of the sharingan is the rinnegan and you can make the argument that is rare to achieve it but sasuke’s eye is just like madara which is the straight pattern so sasuke can definitely get it too. Sasuke has not unlocked his NATURAL* rinnegan the one he got was given to him. So he can definitely achieve a rinnegan of his own and the way I see it is that having hashirama cells would be the best route for him to get the rinnegan again. What do y’all think?
I think how Sasuke fights is honestly more comparable to someone like Minato than anything else. Yea Minato did hit pretty hard but he wasn’t the hardest hitter what set him apart was his superb use of Flying Raijin. Sasuke outside of Susano matches base Naruto in taijutsu but lacks the same destructive power with ninjutsu. He makes up for that by being able to surprise opponents and set up combos for himself off of things his opponents did.
I think Sasuke’s use of amaterasu is either from his years of experience with the eternal Mangekyo or perhaps it was from the fact those are itachi’s eyes. I know it’s never been stated that when the eternal mangekyo is made Sasuke didn’t get acess to anything but need I remind you that he didn’t spend that much time with both eyes before he was given 6 paths chackra. Madara has never used Izuna’s powers but at the same time we have never seen his own either. I know it doesn’t matter that much since he lost the eye that would theorically have tsukuyomi, just thought I’d throw this here for discussion.
Orochimarus straight up always been the power plug. So easy to re buff them. If they just had orochimaru be like watchu need dog. I mean they could always reanimate nagato or Itachi and say yo we need your eye. And be like thanks peace. Or just reanimate powerful dudes for help. Since it’s not like they’d have to sacrifice good people anymore. They could just use prisoners at the blood prison or somethin.
Losing the Rinnegan was definitely a big loss for Sasuke. Remember, even though Hagoromo practically gave him the Rinnegan, it was still Sasuke’s eye underneath it all. I would say he lost about half of his raw power imo. Basically if Madara were to reappear again, Sasuke would lose to Madara’s Limbo Clones since he can’t see them and won’t be aware of them coming at him.
Maybe if Sasuke implant a left arm made up of Hashirama Senju’s cells then he can awaken the Rinegan just like Madara did. I think there is very high chance that this is possible because he also have Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan just like Madara so maybe if he implant Hashirama Senju’s cells in him just like Madara then maybe he can awaken the Rinegan in his remaining eye just like Madara.
I believe Madura could use Six-Paths techniques at a limit without actual Rinnegans because of the already bestowed Rinnegan abilities before they were transplanted from him, similar to being able to activate Susanoo with no Sharingan, at a limit. Sasuke shouldn’t have too much of a problem maintaining some Rinnegan abilities as well, knowing it’d be probably be dangerous to do so but not life-threatening. It may be borrowed power from Hagoromo but it’s similar to how Goku utilized borrowed power to become a God although he still maintained and mastered that power afterwards. Plus it may have to do with genetics (Madara had his brother’s eyes and Sasuke has his brother’s). It also explain the difference between the status of the Sharingan’s and Rinnegan’s owner’s unique abilities that comes with them, as Kakashi and Madura could use Kamui but Obito or Nagato couldn’t use Limbo. Putting chakra control into the mix, it would be heavily chakra-taxing to any of the Rinnegan abilities without a Rinnegan, which is why Madura was able to use some abilities because he was Edo and had Hasirama’s DNA. Another thing is that it seems that one can only do and control so much with one eye due to two things I can name: there’s a limit on how much chakra can flow through one eye no matter the wielder’s chakra reserves and the other being the super high yield of chakra the eye(s) give, as Swag explained. Therefore, Sasuke may have lost a bunch of power losing that eye but it seemed like he had two Rinnegans in one so it’s hard to tell if he’d have any abilities or chakra left from it.
good point about the perfect susanoo, when madara used it w/o eyes it wasnt the perfect version. itachi never had the perfect version so shisui didnt sasuke only used the perfect susanoo after he got the rinnegan but madara used it before getting his, so we dont know exactly if the perfect susanoo is usable ONLY when u get the rinnegan or if you can use it with the eternal mangekyou, IF u can use it with the perfect mangekyou then sasuke should be able to use the perfect susanoo since he still has 1 perfect mangekyou
Why did the author even do that in the first place? And it didn’t even do anything good for Momoshiki. It’s not like it made him seem any stronger than what we already know him to be. I would argue it even made Sasuke look bad because we have seen Sasuke be much sharper and not get caught by such a cheap trick. The only explanation is that Sasuke will get a new hack. Either another dojutsu stronger than his RinneSharingan, or some of strong shakra like Senjutsu or something. Why not Jougan?
Why would sasuke lose his perfect susano because he lost his rinnegan? He only ever had 1 EMS to begin with. He lost his left EMS after it evolved into the rinnegan. Why would anything about his MS powers change? Seems like everyone else is intentionally trying to nerf sauske further to keep his power relevant to narutos. Sasuke losing MS abilities doesn’t even make logical sense. I don’t believe sauskes rinnegan maintained MS abilities because if that’s the case sauske would’ve just been given 2 rinnegan with them keeping EMS abilities. he has his sharingan AND his rinnegan because he has access to BOTH abilities. I don’t understand why everyone is making it so much more complicated than it actually is. I garuentee you sasuke would have lost all EMS abilities had his right eye been destroyed by momoshiki instead of his left
Maybe you found new information, but you directly contradict yourself with your theory around 9:10. It was already stated by Obito himself that he could not withstand the Chakra tax of both Rinnegan. Hence why it was entrusted to Nagato. I simply think the additional “power” is Madara’s true Limbo technique
Kurama nerf on naruto is WAY more damaging than Rinnegan nerf. Kurama buffed everything about Naruto… even his base. People think that if he’s not in some form… he’s not using Kurama chakra. That’s cap. Kurama didn’t even like Naruto at first and he was still doing stuff like healing him fast and giving him a ton of chakra. Naruto is fuked way harder than sasuke.