Astrology has become increasingly popular among millennials and Gen-Z due to its appeal as a form of personalization and self-discovery. A 1982 study by psychologist Graham Tyson found that people who consult astrologers do so in response to stressors in their lives. The astrology field is booming due to increased interest among these demographics, who are often seen as technologically-literate, clear thinkers with a cynical disposition towards misinformation and high standards of proof.
Millennials and Gen Z are more curious about themselves and their lives, making them more inclined to relate to astrology. In a stressful, data-driven era, many young people find comfort and insight in the zodiac, even if they don’t exactly believe in it. Astrology and star advice are being heeded by millennials and Gen Z to protect themselves from life’s stressors and uncertainties.
The boom in astrology among millennials is driven by diminished stigma and marketing on the internet. Many people over the age of 35 will have grown up with astrology as a form of light entertainment, with big, cartoonish, campy personalities like Mystic Meg. Astrology can be comforting and fun, helping us find meaning in our lives, and understanding friendships.
A recent Observer article insisted that millennials are embracing astrology, but this claim is questionable. A growing number of people, particularly millennial women, are turning to astrology to help them judge relationship compatibility and understand friendship. Young teenagers are attracted to astrology because they are worried about their career and life partners.
📹 The Difference Between Millenials & Gen Z ~astrologically~(and those of us in between)
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Is astrology a sin in Islam?
The Hadith, a collection of Islamic religious teachings, is a significant part of the Islamic faith. It outlines the instructions and practices of Muhammad, who criticized the legality and illegality of astrology. According to Abu Dawud, seeking knowledge from the stars is considered witchcraft, which is inherently forbidden in Islam. The Hadith also emphasizes that rain is a blessing bestowed only by Allah, and any belief that rain is a result of other beings is considered disbelief.
The Hadith also mentions the stars, stating that those who suggest rain originates from a star are considered disbelievers in Allah. This concept of astrology and the belief in celestial beings’ influence on anything other than what is enshrined in the Quran and Hadith constitutes shirk (blasphemy) and leads one to leave the fold of the religion.
Second-century Islamic scholar Imam Ali, the fourth caliph of Islam and cousin and son-in-law of Muhammad, views astrology as fundamentally forbidden in the Islamic religion. He warns followers not to learn the science of stars except for guidance on land or sea, as it leads to divining and an astrologer is a diviner. This aligns with the Quran, which points to stars and astrology as only a means of navigation.
However, prominent scholars like Ibn Arabi and Ikhwan argue that planets are not considered God but do suggest each prophet with a specific planet/celestial being. Prophet Idris, also known as Enoch, was gifted with great knowledge of the stars and used his gift to meditate upon God’s grandeur and teach others. He believed that the stars and moon contributed to mankind and founded the study of the stars.
Different sects of Islam offer varying perspectives on the concept of astrology.
Why is astrology changing?
Precession is a phenomenon where the Earth’s rotational axis wobbles, causing the zodiac to appear to slide to the east over the course of 25, 800 years. This movement, discovered by Hipparchus of Nicaea around 150 B. C., causes the vernal equinox to shift from Aries to Pisces around 100 B. C., where it is now, until A. D. 2700, when it moves into Aquarius. Over the course of 25, 800 years, the equinox will eventually return to Aries, resetting the cycle of astrological signs. The discovery of precession was made by Hipparchus of Nicaea around 150 B. C., and it continues to impact the zodiac’s view from Earth.
What percentage of Gen Z believes in astrology?
Around 80 percent of Gen Z and millennials believe in astrology, with a significant portion using it to make career decisions, according to a report from EduBirdie. The report, based on survey results from 2, 000 young Americans, found that 63 of those who embrace or relate to horoscopes say astrology has positively impacted their career, 72 use it to make important life decisions, and 18 lean on the practice to make career moves.
Astrology is an attractive guide because of its personalized nature, as a horoscope is based on the unique date, time, and place a person is born. Ksenia Hubska, data lead at EduBirdie, believes that young people often lack someone to talk to, and their human nature is to find evidence and external motivation when they don’t know something.
Is Gen Z the fittest generation?
The research reveals that a significant number of people are working out more frequently than the 1. 9 times a week they are typically given credit for. 84 of regular exercisers are working out at least three times per week, with younger generations leading the way. Gen Z is the most active, with 87 of this demographic exercising three or more times per week, with Millennials trailing behind. This reflects Generation Active’s unique approach to exercise, preferring sweat pints over sinking them and seeing it as a social experience rather than a punishment. Clubs that can cater to this holistic view of healthy living and socializing, while providing high-quality experiences, will be well-positioned to capitalize on this trend.
Is believing in astrology against God?
In Matthew 28:18, Jesus asserts that all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to him. This contradicts biblical wisdom, as chasing after false gods is a sin. There is no biblical evidence that God has given authority to stars or astrologists. Pursuing predictions about our destiny or personality is biblically sinful, as it takes power from God and gives it to something other than God. A horoscope cannot change what God has already ordained before we were even created.
Why is astrology making a comeback?
Astrology offers stability and guidance in a world of constant change, helping Gen Z navigate anxiety and powerlessness. Its predictions and personalized horoscopes provide a comforting anchor in these turbulent waters. Gen Z embraces a harmonious blend of science and spirituality, exploring diverse belief systems and alternative ways of thinking. Astrology allows Gen Z to express their identity and beliefs, showcasing their uniqueness and distinguishing themselves from the crowd. The digital age has given them access to vast amounts of information, making them more open to exploring diverse belief systems.
What type of people believe in astrology?
The study reveals that Catholics, agnostics, and people with no particular religion are the most likely to believe in astrology, followed by Protestants and Jewish Americans. Atheists are the least likely to believe that stars and planets influence behavior. The gender gap in astrology is slightly wider with age, with men under 45 slightly more likely to believe than women under the same age. Older women are more likely to believe than older men. Women aged 45-64 are twice as likely as their male counterparts to believe, and women 65 and older are more than twice as likely to believe as men in the same age group.
When asked about their astrological sign, 90% of Americans select one, while 10% aren’t sure. Adults under 30 are more likely to believe in astrology, but they are also less likely to know their sign. Women are more likely than men to know their sign, and Democrats are more likely than Republicans to know it.
When did people stop believing in astrology?
Astrology has been a scholarly tradition throughout its history, connected with other studies like astronomy, alchemy, meteorology, and medicine. However, new scientific concepts in astronomy and physics, such as heliocentrism and Newtonian mechanics, challenged its academic and theoretical standing. Astrology, in its broadest sense, is the search for meaning in the sky. Early evidence for humans making conscious attempts to measure, record, and predict seasonal changes by reference to astronomical cycles appears as markings on bones and cave walls, showing that lunar cycles were being noted as early as 25, 000 years ago.
Farmers addressed agricultural needs with increasing knowledge of the constellations that appear in different seasons, and used the rising of particular star-groups to herald annual floods or seasonal activities. By the 3rd millennium BCE, civilizations had sophisticated awareness of celestial cycles and may have oriented temples in alignment with heliacal risings of the stars.
Scattered evidence suggests that the oldest known astrological references are copies of texts made in the ancient world, such as the Venus tablet of Ammisaduqa, which is thought to have been compiled in Babylon around 1700 BCE. A scroll documenting an early use of electional astrology is doubtfully ascribed to the reign of the Sumerian ruler Gudea of Lagash, but there is controversy about whether these were genuinely recorded at the time or merely ascribed to ancient rulers by posterity.
The oldest undisputed evidence of the use of astrology as an integrated system of knowledge is attributed to the records of the first dynasty of Babylon (1950-1651 BCE), which had some parallels with Hellenistic Greek astrology.
Why do most girls believe in astrology?
The speaker posits that this topic is imbued with a sense of mysticism and female empowerment, as evidenced by the growing number of women who are seeking to discover and assert their own power and voices in meaningful ways.
Why is Gen Z obsessed with zodiac signs?
The “woke” generation, who rely heavily on scientific evidence, believes in astrology, numerology, and Tarot as a way to validate themselves and maintain a sense of security. This generation is conscious about their own lives and often feels insecure about the future, leading them to associate and tap into their zodiac sign traits. Phrases like “I don’t usually like Scorpios” or “Cancerians are more emotional” have become common in conversations at work, friends, social gatherings, and on the internet.
The alignment of stars, numbers, and cards can make life easier by allowing individuals to dive into self-exploration and analyze their personality traits. This subtle form of introspection makes individuals more conscious of their actions and helps them understand the good and bad within themselves. This pseudoscience can make life easier for the “woke” generation, as it allows them to step away from the alarming aspects of their lives and focus on their strengths and weaknesses.
Why are so many people into astrology now?
Astrology is a popular coping mechanism for people experiencing life’s complexity. It helps people make sense of their lives and provides comfort during challenging times. Interest in astrology has been increasing during tumultuous times, such as the Great Depression and the coronavirus pandemic. This is due to the lack of meaning maps provided by traditional institutions and the welcoming nature of astrology, unlike other institutions that have failed to do so. Astrology has become a tool for comfort and understanding during challenging times.
📹 We Are In A “FOURTH TURNING,” What Does That Mean?
A visual representation of our 80-year history cycles, as laid out in the 1997 book, THE FOURTH TURNING. This book is MIND …
There’s something burning inside my soul…it can put me in a paralyzing depression, but it also gives birth to hope and wanting to heal myself and others…my biggest road block on opposite ends of that spectrum has always been direction and clarity. This is the first thing I’ve seen or listened to that has sparked something in me…just maybe, this is what I’ve needed.🙏🏽
As a gen x person i find myself able to understand the perspectives of other gens. Im also a fixer, but on a social level. I spent 12 years working with broken people in welfare. Im now in the public service trying to fix broken systems so they work better for people. I saw a comment recently saying gen x “sold out”, but we are just quiet…not sure younger gens understand what we are working on in the background.
Eight stages of democracy, I’d say we are on the other side of 6. 1. From bondage to spiritual faith; 2. From spiritual faith to great courage; 3. From courage to liberty; 4. From liberty to abundance; 5. From abundance to complacency; 6. From complacency to apathy; 7. From apathy to dependence; 8. From dependence back into bondage.
This is an ancient idea predating the Roman Empire.It was born of the Etruscan civilisation of Italy.The reason it is 80 or so years is because there is rarely anyone around to remember first hand,the past horrors (Auscwitz let’s say) and the story fades out more or less into folklore (or at least it would have before the internet) thus creating a pathway for a repeat of monstrous deeds.Could be the reason they are intent on rewriting history.There are dark forces at work here.The Romans used this to their advantage as have major powers ever since.They are busy burning the library of Alexandria all over again as we speak.
I love this article. Thank you. I’m GenX and I don’t recognize this county anymore. I was raised to be patriotic during my youth. Now it feels like I’m told that everything I love is a system of white supremacy. I’m black btw not that it matters. I have this book and I use your article to send to others when I’m trying to explain it. May you be well during these crazy times. 🙌🏾✌🏾🇺🇸
I seriously hope to make it through the crisis stage. Being a teen during the unraveling was… Interesting. Fun but fraught. As an adult now, I want to fight. Become independent and connected. But we will fight like hell for a better world, not controlled by tech company giants… But one where humanity takes tech and makes it work for all of us, not just some of us.
I was born in 1955. My mother stayed home till I was around 4, One of my parents was always home. I had The Mickey Mouse club, Captain Kangaroo, Mr. Rogers and a host of PBS television I wore dresses. I went to church with my little white New Testament tucked in my purse wearing patent leather shoes and ruffled anklets. I have pictures of me in dresses, matching outfits and my beloved saddle shoes. We played by ourselves in groups unattended all day. I walked everywhere. There was something wonderful in the air. You felt it. I was real, you could touch it. When Kennedy was elected it was Camelot. We were golden. Things were difficult for minorities yes, but improving. We were learning that homosexuals were as human as anyone else. Literally everyone was getting ahead. Then Kennedy was shot. In an instant it all changed and has never been the same. I don’t feel at home anywhere I go. I do not exaggerate when I tell you I don’t recognize the world, it’s not the world I grew up in. And I don’t like it at all.
I read this book when it was first published. The great financial crisis of 2008 being 79 years after Black Monday; reminded me of the most memorable statement in the book: History repeats when there is no one alive who lived through the prior event. I should still have this book somewhere, will re-read when I find it. Thanks for the reminder!
One important note is this time is different. B/c of the large gap in technology between what regular ppl have access to and what governments have (surveillance from space, drones, health care gaps), this upheaval will be much more permanent. Power collects power and the powerful have all the tools to secure power in ways that are unprecedented in size, scope, longevity, and complexity.
2 years after posting this article I stumbled upon it. I’m the end of GEN X/Millennial and my entire life I have felt a need to be vigilant against regimes and educated in history to stay aware. I’m now in healthcare in pediatrics and it interesting that the GEN X is a repair generation. I feel my role as a primary care provider is to help guide new parents (Millennials/Gen z) and support them in raising emotionally intelligent & resilient children, to break generational abuse, body positivity, etc. Now I know this is my purpose. My role in repairing.
In Ireland we have an old saying and it goes 20 years growing 20 years getting better 20 years on your way out and 20 years you’re irrelevant ..now thats direct translation from the Irish language itself(gaeilge) which is fiche blian ag fás,fiche blian ag neart,fiche blian ag teacht as,Agus fiche bluan is cuna an na as thú…just thought I’d share 😀it might have some relevance to this theory
Hey Van, Dave here. Also a Spirited Man. 85er, Millennial, product of the unravelling. Thanks for this timely and important reminder. This crisis will be defined not as a crisis of body, but as a crisis of the mind. The human exists to love, and be loved. Anything outside of this will upset our balance. We need more messages like this one to remind us where true north is. Thank you.
We’re not allowed any individualism We’re meant to be the borg Anyone with independent thought is crushed and canceled Nothing happening now is organic It’s all contrived Life is balance They keep us in constant chaos and anxiety This group is now in its 80s and 90s They’re waiting for their reward They’ve reached this level through trickery and lies But the universe doesn’t reward monsters. Their turnings, their games, their chaos will fall and never return. They pushed too hard, too fast.
I am just starting this book now. It’s interesting. I definitely feel as a gen xer born just on the cusp that I definitely have a foot in both worlds and try to bridge the gap between parents and younger millennial siblings. I am immensely grateful that I grew up when I did. Grew up mostly analog but technology hit when I was well into high school so I’ve learned both worlds which was a unique experience. Having said that, I miss simpler times. Here’s to hoping the 4th cycle isn’t too traumatic.
Born in the gen-x era, 81′. I have a constant mindset of healing, love, peace, wisdom, selfgrowth, development, restoration& hope♡ I have experienced how our minds can be toxic& cause a toxic movement to others, like a deadly virus. My body has become very sensitive to negativity that it either exhausts me, makes me edgy, gives me stabbing sharp needle pains in my head or migraines. My goal is to be an example of Christ & through Him to help others♡ thanks for sharing♡ ~shalom
I didn’t read “The Fourth Turning” but I did read their other book “Generations”, which is about the same thing – the leapfrogging of American generations over time. It’s impressive the amount of work Strauss and Howe put into this idea. My biggest takeaway is that there is still something worth fighting for. That gives me hope.
Been teaching my kids “artists” the skills I learned as a child and throughout my career. 1. Control your emotions or they will control you. 2. Don’t put off tomorrow what you can do today. 3. Time finite for each of us. It is the most precious resource, don’t waste it as you will never get it back. 4. Treat others as you expect to be treated, but don’t hesitate treating them as they treat you. 5. Hard work/good attitude = reward. Poor work/bad attitude = punishment. 6. Logical reasoning/realistic planning 7. Realistic goal settings 5, 10, 15 years out; and how to break them down into achievable time-line markers. Skill sets: 1. Self defense (various forms and disciplines) 2. Reading, writing, communication. 3. The trades: Auto mechanic’s, welding, wood working, electrical, plumbing. (Introduction/basics/advanced). 4. Firearms training, safety, marksmanship principles. 5. How to fish, hunt, gut/clean game, husbandry, agriculture. 6. Love and protection of nature. Must be doing something right as every one from the elder generations compliment and hold in high opinion, and the kids look upon my child as a leader, protector; rational thinker that is firm but fair
This is a cycle of childhood trauma that shapes each generation and triggers how each generation creates the trauma that shapes the next one. The answer to breaking this cycle and creating true change is….”MENTAL HEALTH!”. Truly understanding and dealing with our own trauma so as not to traumatize our children into perpetuating the cycle.
As a hypothesis it’s interesting, but lacks depth. I’m currently entering my 4th score, so have unknowingly lived a complete cycle, give or take. I think the most significant thing I’ve seen is the acceleration of greed. An increase in isolation and a disregard for others welfare. Too many assumptions have been made for me to take more than a passing interest.
As a 19 year old, and thus being part of Gen Z, I can safely say that we will be indeed an artist generation. Watch the eccentric and depressed rockstars making a comeback, the lunatic poets, the forward thinkers, We might not seem like it cause we are young and trapped in the vile addiction of social media and narcissism but this pandemic will give us the strenght to truly let our mind go, and change the world for our own good and the ones after us
your work is next level. probably the most optimistic and inspiring article I’ve seen since lockdown and probably years prior. your expression of the potential ahead of us was so nourishing. your craft and frankly absurd detail to the craft of your productions is as mind bending as the concepts you effortlessly convey in a way that’s so accessible. thinking of all those near me, my home, my neighbors, my community. thank you Van.
Everything moves within and through cycles. Thanks for reminding me that this crazy BS time we’re in, also, is just part of a cycle. That is inspiring and soothing. We’re just entering a dark tunnel, but I can already see light at the end of it. Proud Gen X’er here, with one child, a son born in the artist generation.
I am a Greek, living in Greece and I can easily map out the same cycles. I was born in the beginning of the 80s, an Xennial (a very special micro generational category) and I totally am in the repair category. My work and my mindset is all about that. Thank you Van for this great article and the book recommendations! More article reviews of books like this please!
Fantastic article explaining everything perfectly thank you. I had heard about this book but haven’t read it. It also flows to this continuum 1) Hard times make strong men, 2) Strong men make good times, 2) Good times make weak men, 3) Weak men make hard times and thus it repeats. The great news with this is my kids 12,14 and 16 all Gen Z will mirror the greatest Generation, as it’s the 4th turning (who grew up in the great depression and fought in WW2) and they will be this centuries new, “Greatest generation.” I can already see this is my kids eyes, wanting to work hard and make something good of themselves. Good stuff thank you again.
Back in the 1800’s Alexis de Tocqueville wrote about how the American version of democracy was ideal for it’s time but wouldn’t be sustainable. It was successful then due to the conditions at the time. He was so far ahead it’s unbelievable. Both de Tocqueville and Voltaire were absolute geniuses as far as insight into society.
Van N, if you see this. I can think of nothing In the past 2 years that has changed my life as much as this 10 min article. I can not measure how many views this has had from me alone & whom I’ve shared this with. My biz partner is reading it now as a result. Thank you seriously for producing such literally life changing content. I am forever indebted…
Very interesting article! I wonder if technological advancements will affect this pattern. Also, most sources I’ve seen put Gen Z beginning somewhere between 1995-1999, although I don’t know if that makes a difference in the context of this article. It’s interesting how there is no agreement on when these cohorts begin and end.
Since leaving city life to the country I have learnt to build and maintain. It was so hard at first. It was an act of willpower overcoming a resistance in me to learn new skills. But hidden in me was the great energy of intention and each small overcoming of an obstacle has created a new me less anxious and more resilient
You can easily pick and choose positive or negative events within a 20 year span in order to label a “turning” whatever you want it to be. I’ve always believed that the world is what you make of it. If you are taught to be a victim. Then you will react as a victim. If you are resilient, you will react with resolve and learn from failure. I do love articles like this because it makes me think, may not agree 100%, but at least it forces us all to think and look forward. Peace!
This was so interesting to watch even more so because I have figured out my pattern in life and right now I’m in the “crisis” mode in my personal life. Except 20 years society wise is 10-12 years for my personal human existence. I knew a major life event was coming soon when I turned 40. I just didn’t know exactly when and how, but I knew I was due for one. At the age of 12 my parents divorced, at the age of 23 yrs. old I got out of a very abuse relationship in which I was engaged to marry this man, at the age of 32 yrs old my mother passed away, and at the age of 42 yrs. old (right on time) I was just diagnosed with a very rare and aggressive skin cancer and my two fur babies passed within a day of each other (cat & dog) just about 2 months back. Right now I’m completely in crisis mode of my life and feel like the universe is preparing me for ultimate ecstasy and blissfulness. I have been through some next level shit in life during those pivotal years, but this time block just feels really different. This “hard” is almost like no other hard I’ve ever had in life. Even losing my mom who I miss so much and think of her every single day 10 yrs. later feels kind of like no such a horrific event because I feel this time is an accumulation of all those personal time blocks all coming to head in this very moment. Anywho, here goes nothing. I’m pretty ready and open to what the universe is going to do in my “high stage”. I👏🏾 AM👏🏾 READY👏🏾!
If the Gen X is the “Repairer” generation during this crisis, I think our generation (Millenial/Gen-Z) will be the “Implementer” one. Being a 2003-born myself, currently studying topics like this one, I always see how ideals contrary to the current society are always endorsed and created by our generation. As we enter our older years, we might become the key contributors to this new societal order. For example bringing back public transit and walkable infrastructure, renewable energy, welfare state, and so on.
As someone who’s been around since the last turning. In your words. There’s a cycle to everything. Interesting reading. It’s good that people look outside their thought processes and world views and open their minds to other possibilities. And I certainly support that. But don’t go off the deep end and make life-changing decisions based on this book and the multitude of YouTube websites that are spawned. Best wishes. Stay safe
The analysis here is extremely simplistic: just consider how complex is a single human being, then imaging large sample generations and the huge variety of contexts and environments, then add the subjective and objective layers. Not mentioning the absence of facts that do not support or contradict the claim. And last but not least, this also incredibly US-centric.
Hard to believe heroes are being bred staying in their mother’s basement… biggest problem with nerding out with things like this is they never take into account the full scope, like how everyone is connected by devices 24/7, so there’s A LOT more bleeding of character from different generations than there was. Anyone can learn ANYTHING in a moment’s notice with a search engine!!
I usually enjoy your articles, and this one was extremely well done as always. However, I think it is dangerous to present the Fourth Turning theory as fact. All these examples of people and music and events are cherry picked. The theory is unfalsifiable. It isn’t scientific, there isn’t enough empirical evidence. I do appreciate that you mentioned the american viewpoint of the study, but Strauss and Howe do not explicitly restrict the theory to the US.
I’ve actually been thinking about this concept since the pandemic started. I’ve also never read that book. Covid just made me think of the Spanish Flu during the first world war which was followed by the depression and the second world war. Kind of reminds me of now. I don’t know, it’s just something I’ve been thinking about for a while, so it was interesting to see I’m not alone.
As a gen x, I definitely feel like a spiritual nomad in several ways: In exile from a fundamental christian upbringing towards secularism. I feel like this was a generational shift, many of my peers feel the same way. Also, a nomad leaving the mechanical age (working on cars with my dad and perusal a tv with bunny ears) to a bright new digital world ( I don’t feel at home here). My generation grew up with a distrust of institutions, so my political views don’t have a home in either party….so again, nomadic.
We are, but the dates are off, not just due to round 20 year blocks, but due to what was going on during these periods of time / years. More accurate times I think would just straigh 1945-1965, 1965-1985, 1985-2005, and 2005-2025. We’re super close to the end of this historical block and the beginning of another.
This is the one article I’ve found on YouTube that actually changed my perspective but not in a jaded and shitty way but helped me find some positivity in my “menial” millennial existence. Perpetually dumbing myself down to wrap my head around this planet and live in peace, but this article.. this article is special. This showed me that there is hope, there will be violence and that it won’t be pretty but if you survive… well youre screwed for the next 80 years. I wonder what science will do to change the timeline of these sacrums.. Amazing content, incredible talent. Protect artists for they are the future. Fuck you all good night 😊
Your presentation is charming and inspiring. Thank you for sharing. ❤️ I’m in the middle of The Fourth Turning. The mother in me looks at the future and sees darkness. This book is putting so many pieces together and I absolutely identify with the “repair woman” identity of Gen X. Godspeed, my friend.
This is exactly me… I am a fixer- this article is very truthful… there are only so many people left that can ‘turn their hand’ to fixing just about anything… I handed a hammer to an 18 yr old some time ago and asked to assist me on a job at his parents house… he looked at the hammer like I’d given him a poison rod and said’ I’m scared’… these are the children of today… the government and stinking computers had dumbed people down so much it’s sickening – their money set is … just click a mouse and it’s done. Sad sad world now
I found this researching Precession of the Equinox. There are 360 degrees in a circle, it takes roughly 72 years to move 1 degree of Precession. So there are 360, 72 year human generations in a 25,920 precession cycle. What I find interesting is you can get the “Order” you want by creating the necessary “Chaos”. This is nothing more than a Ritual when one really thinks about it.
I’ve lived a life so full of bad things that stating even a few of them here is useless cause no one would believe me. When I found out about a while ago it really put into perspective what I was feeling in my soul but didn’t know was verified by others much smarter than me. I was born in 1982…. Yep. Right as the fun began lol. Which means I had my first child in 2008. I had worked my way into running the company I worked for by 2007. By 2009 for the first time in my adult life I didn’t have a home I owned. We lost everything we had just so we could survive. In our 40’s now me and my wife just hope and pray that thus continues the way it has. Suffer for a a few more years perusal this country destroy itself and as we enter retirement age not to long after I just hope to god we finally get to not have to fight against the world and life itself if only for a few years and if only in some small ways we are just so ready for a break.
I would love to see an analysis on how the turning theory plays into the law of civilization and decay which states; that every 250 years great empires fail with cyclical certainty. With the above documented phenomenon, the turning theory is of only passing importance when you’ve added utter collapse to the mix.
Interesting analysis, from a Biblical point of view, history does repeat itself, and the number 8 (in this case 80 or 8×10) is the number for new beginnings, 7 being the number for perfection or completion and new beginning at 8… Bare in mind that the number 8 sideways♾ is the symbol for a infinity, things trapped in a loop that constantly repeat itself Would be interesting to check out the book though
The general concept of patterns seems to hold water. One might argue it’s even Biblical in some ways. The big events (Depression, WWI, JFK, 911, etc) are undeniable. However, other examples used are totally subjective based on the political/social views and agenda of the writer. If this is strictly an American timeline then Malala Yousafzai, a Pakistani activist, is definitely not an archetype. What, girls in the US weren’t being educated before 2015? Parkland High School students? While hundreds of Americans are gunned down in our cities each month? I am surprised transgender rights isn’t in there. Not necessarily against all of these things… just disagree with how conveniently selective some are and also the point to which these get elevated compared to other more critical issues. .
I knew absolutely nothing about “turnings” and such like, but for the last 15 years or so I have been perusal the world and thinking to myself quite frequently “My god, this is the first half of the 20th century all over again!” and “I wonder if this is how my great-grandparents felt at my age?”. Good to know it’s not just me that has noticed Western society is in full speed regression mode (even before COVID accelerated the process). Perhaps I’m not as much of a cranky rambling loner as I thought I was! (Though I do take issue with the whole Bill Gates/Prophet thing. That man is a danger to humanity!).
Mine is to raise my children to avoid the mistakes of my generation by grounding them.hard and fast in a strong foundation. Im a millenial and no we are not heroes he is wrong we are weak and believe in nothing. You also suppose thatamerica will comtinue…it is falling and my generation are soft cowards.
If you want actual cyclical history, read: Decline of the West: Oswald Spengler Revolt against the Modern World: Julius Evola Crisis of the Modern World: Rene Guénon 4 Turnings goes mask off by claiming that millennials will be the heroic generation which is on its face not true as they are probably the furthest from heroic of all generations. There might be some merit to the 80 years theory but in this context it’s pretty ridiculous. Parkland kids being heroes is probably the biggest joke in this article though “awakening” being characterized by the destructive 60s and 70s comes close
Interesting — Watched the whole thing. It does make you think. But notice the method. The authors generate their characterizations of entire 20 year blocks and support each with recognizable figures and events. It’s like, “oh, look, they chose my favorite.” “Yeah, the Beatles were fundamental” or “Bob Dylan was pivotal,”or the funniest, “the Parkland High School activists” are the new energizers of a whole wave of change. The stacks of books flopped into view play the same game. “Oh, look, these are the pivotal and substantial books and authors! Do I recognize any of them?” It is a rather standard Internet game people play, popping up things to recognize and smile or frown about, but NO content. What did any one of those glimpsed books say? Just like those fun series of pics we get, “remember when we were kids” and they show a 56 Chevy and a Campbell’s soup can and a snip from I Love Lucy. It’s fun to see whether we remember them, and memories are retrieved and enjoyed wistfully. Of course, you can create one of those picture flip shows displaying the worst things, riots, lynchings, war scenes, poverty. Same deal — trigger recollections and emotions — not providing any understanding. This categorization of 20 year periods — and assigning people to those periods based upon birth year — and then giving their socio-economic-cultural horoscope (nomad, hero, etc.) — is another standard method of making people feel meaningful, substantial, destined to something beyond themselves.
I wasn’t aware of this, I knew about the cycles of social change typically taking 60-80 years, but this is a whole new level of depth of understanding. I think the internet and social media will mean the cycle begins to quicken though, as we are currently seeing the cost of living crisis take hold, and its when people suffer en masse that these changes seem to occur throughout history. All great change happens when the apathetic are forced into compassion through their own experiences with suffering. Though I fear the short term, the suicides and the mental health impact of this, I look forward to the future for all that the turmoil will foster. As you say about the forest fire, everything must burn to nurture the next growth period
There’s a new edition of this book, or a new itteration. “The Fourth Turning is Here” by Niel Howe. I’m working my way through it now, and yeah. I look forward to studying the counter-arguments when I’m done, just to see what they are. Cause this is…. pretty convincing as a viable framework through which to view history and anticipate the future.
Nicely captured info. I guess the Gen Z and Millenials will have to feel out with which group they most resonate because I’ve seen different blocks of years set aside for those groups than were assigned in this article. But very exciting and hopeful times. See you in the next “high” block! Coming soon! ❤
People are angry that during the financial crisis and current bank failure, “too big to fail” banks and corporations got bailed out with tax payer monies, richest is getting richer, but the middle class is disappearing. I hope through this turning the old gets wiped out to allow new growth and we come out as a better place to live for majority of people.
He stopped at 1781, so I wondered why and looked back to 1701. Not a lot happening there. The 47 Ronin story is about the only thing from 1701 that people remember. Maybe there was something that was more important with more historical relevance to someone 80 years ago. Interesting take on analog though. I’ve found I make my money not with my law degree, but by knowing how to repair buildings relative to their interaction with building codes and insurance contracts. It’s a very analog thing.
While i agree with the basic concept of the “fourth turning” I have problems seeing the end of the current crisis, it is bigger than the crisis of before. While the divergence of old and rich is a problem that maybe can be solved, allthough it has gotten to a stage where so much wealth lead to so much power that it’s frightening. The other problem worries me even more, the ones who should “solve” this problem are a huge part of the problem. We can’t fix climate change the way we are doing now, to fix it, people would need to stop consumerism and reduce their own wealth, i don’t see this happening. There is not the same intrinsic motivation to end this as before.
Well done. Thank you. I’m perusal this first then reading the 700+ page printed version. I’m here from WOT soldier, entrepreneur and survivalist business man, Mike Glover’s YouTube website. He gave this article high praise and peaked a lot of interest. I suspect there will be plenty of comments below this one, indicating they too came from Mike Glover Actual YT page.
This is amazing . Gives me a new perspective and outlook on life. I am a Nomad. I have always felt like one. Never able to find a place where I could fit in. Until recently that is. Even so I feel that I do not 100% fit in. I feel the need to be on my way again. But I will not be on my way . I am staying where I am bc I am relatively happy here.
It was during one such dispute over the sale of indulgences that Luther finally met his destiny, on the last day of October 1517, at the doors of a Wittenberg church. There, he posted his 95 theses disputing established Catholic teaching—and launched a revolution that would transform the Christian world.Jul 12, 2017
I’m a crazy person because I notice little details like this: At 1:48 the Spirited Man is about to paint the letter E. He pauses for a moment and glances at the three other E’s he’s painted to check if he used capital or lowercase letters because he needs to stay consistent. He probably knew he should capitalize them, but need verification.
Love this and makes the most sense from what I have seen so far. We are in for a hot mess, but the silver lining is that we will come out of this a lot wiser and smarter. More compassionate, and empathetic. Good times create weak people, weak people create hard times and hard times create strong people. Strong people create good times….