Does Dragon Ball Magic Exist?

I’d say Metamoran and Potara Fusion could also be considered magical in nature. Though, I’d consider Potara as more magical as it is naturally a divine power and may provide unique abilities to the user beyond an insane power boost. Vegito was able to keep his power and mind after being turned into a piece of candy by Buu (a thing with no organs, brain, eyes, nose, mouth or flesh and bones in general; it’s not a living thing, but Vegito acted like nothing major happened at all, he could still see, communicate and fight Buu with little to no effort). Some would say that because he was just insanely stronger than Buu, it didn’t work as planned, but it’s stated that it was unique to him (Vegito being the first mortal Potara Fusion in the series, so there wasn’t anyone like him to make such a comparison beyond Elder Kai or Fused Supreme Kai) and it may have less to do with his power and more to do with his nature as a being formed by magical divine earrings. Since the divine would be magical in nature and therefore unnatural to us, using logic for Vegito’s feat isn’t really possible beyond saying, “It’s just a unique ability he has mortals don’t possess”.

This entire article is exactly what i was thinking. Also it might explain the “i can’t make shenron do this because it surpasses the creators power”, because many people assume they are talking about their battle power when disscusin this when in reality they’re taking about another different type of power that namekians posses.

Time manipulation is a bit of a weird one because we have seen it being done by magical means and technological means and within the magical means that’s even subdivided into multi-types. You have the magic rings that allow for both backwards and forward movement in time with seemingly no limit while also having the Angels magic that is a limited time reversal of only a few minutes. But then you have someone like Goldo who can stop time by holding his breath. I recall that he was described as having strong psychic powers but was that just magic? It is limited to his ability to hold his breath so it’s hard to say.

one key thing to remember is magic’s place in original dragonball a gag fighting anime and its later adaptation to Z an action fighting anime in early dragonball magic and ki were more or less different versions of the same thing in a sort of goblin buyag kind of deal in late dragonball into Z onward we see magic in its more modern form as its own separate ability ki control allows one to push limits and boundaries within the laws of reality which can sometimes cross into somewhat magical feats like flexing a hole into reality in order to reach a level of power one must walk a path to that power and in order to overpower another your power must exceed theirs if even for an instant magic lets one move outside of boundaries and step aside from power creating direct actions regardless of all that surrounds them imagine if you will a article game and there are two players with cheat engine going both players are unkillable player 1 set his stats so high that due to the game’s damage threshold mechanic he can never take damage from anything in the game, this is our ki user like vegeta or krillin. player 2 simply turned off his death flag so no amount of damage or direct scripted event can kill him, this is our magic user like buu or babidi. player 3 is an admin with the developer console open perusal all of this happen, this is our godly ability user like the namek dragon clansmen or whis.

I imagine destruction is a form of using magic and ki together. It’s why its limited under the same restrictions of Ki such as not being able to be done on beings more powerful then yourself. Its magic aspect comes in the sense of being able to do it instantly and without much warning. Techniques that use destruction varies on the mix of magic to Ki, where as gods of destruction use more Ki than magic but Zeno uses more Magic then Ki. It also fits in to the rules as pure magic, as from the dragon balls, can counteract this Ki-Magic Hybrid

Oh wow! That was super interesting. Like the ONE rule dragonball’s Ki techniques follow is that they cant overcome a huge gap of power. Krillin’s keinsan wasnt able to cut Perfect’s Cell neck because of the power gap. Hit’s time stop could barely contain Jiren, and only for a bit, after that Jiren broke through sheer force. Same with the other guy who stopped time in the freezer arc, but was treated as mdeium level grunt, his technique would never work on Freezer for example. I never realized that magical techniques dont obey this rule. If the mafuba was a Ki technique Master Roshi wouldnt have been useless in the tournament of power. Thanks for this article!

At some point in og Dragon Ball anime (maybe different in the manga idk) I seem to remember it was stated that Master Roshi drank from the fountain of youth, and has significantly slowed his aging process. Which might have some divine connection itself. We even see that the Nameks can live for hundreds up to the low thousands of years, and it could be their inate magic that is responsible for that.

what is funny about poppo abilities, most of them are from wukong in the journey to the west, regeneration, creating clones from hair, even the circlet that attract lightning is a reference to the circlet that the monk used to control wukong, on that note you didnt even mention the magic staff, which seems to be indestructable, the magic cloud, and the magic fan that was mentioned in the classic, also mutten Roshi is so old because he had a phoenix

Zeno’s ability to erase universes, unless the manga otherwise stated and I’m wrong, but I’m under the impression he can erase the universes because he created them, that’s why he’s above all the other divine beings, because he’s God, God, with a capital G. That’s why he’s the Omni King, it isn’t that he’s just simply powerful and able to destroy things or some kind of racial ability. He’s the creator and destroyer of all the dragon ball multiverse.

I feel like 21 could become the greatest magic user… It seems sorta fitting for a majin scientist to be a master of science and magic… Also just think of how op she would be if she got ultra ego and spirit fision and hakai… She would be the most versatile fighter we have ever seen and the perfect counterpick to pretty much any fighter imaginable.. She is the counterpick for fused fighters thanks to spirit fision She has hakai so any non god or imortal being is instantly taken out And any other fighter would have to fight around her regen/ego hack to infinite power… She would literally be able to go all day and never lose unless they land a kill shot

as far as erasure from zenos goes, i would guess that since mortals can use scaled down versions of what angels can do, mortals can also only use scaled down versions of what the divine dragons can use. yet zenos created everything including the divine dragon right? so maybe erasure is a combination of them and its not scaled down at all because its the source of it. as far as why the divine dragon can undo something that someone more powerful did? the more powerful thing allows it to be reversed. its like deleting something on your pc and it goes into the recycle bin. its deleted. its gone. but it can be brought back only because the deletion process specifically put in a way to undo it. i think it said in the anime (so i could be wrong) that zenos knew goku’s team would win, and they would wish for everyone back. if the winner didnt make this specific wish, he would truly obliterate them all since they are on the chopping block anyways.

many things wrong here Destruction energy is still Ki just God ki and nature of ki has change think of Attributes in Naruto, Goku literally confirms that in the fight with Granola when Vegeta uses Destruction God Ki as for Ki its just basic internal energy seen in Wuxia, Ki is in every person and manifesting this ki is the first step into becoming a martial artist, this energy grows with training, the reason Aliens seem to grow stronger is due to the nature of their starting point and physiology, humans are born weak and have weak bodies compare to saiyans or any alien. manipulation of Time is also a Ki Technique = Hit uses it Roshi has no magic again its just Ki techniques.

It seems like DB is getting what I like to call the superman treatment, yea superman has kryptonite as a weakness but another super effective weakness is magic, if you cant over power him and or your enemies by brute force, powers/ energy, or technique then use magic (works every time) and whats pretty funny us how easy it is to implement magic into a story because even in reality magic makes no sense / has no type of logic at least none that we know of, it just exists and can be used and tells science to deal with it 😂

The one thing that makes Magic confusing in Dragon Ball is that, most of the abilities that you listed as magic, aren’t explicitly stated to be magic. We don’t have an in depth explaination outlining what makes a normal ability that is performed with regular ki different from one from a magical ability. The only people who we can 100% for sure confirm are using magic, are Buu, Babidi, Dabura and Moro, becausw thy are stated as magic users. As well as items like the z-sword, potara, power pole and others are the only things we can say are magical, because objects have no Ki. But the rest it is just speculation in a sense that “Oh this looks like it could be magic therefore it must be magic”.

Can someone jus verify this with be really quick is chakra and ki different or the same? Like are they different systems all together or still the same thing jus different naming, I actually herd that chakra was supposed to be ki but chose chakra since they were too late to change it or something but someone please tell me the difference cuz I truly am tired of Naruto and they wanked out power sets

Not sure that hysterical strength is related to dopamine specifically. ESPN just did a great article on the science of hysterical strength, and the placebo effect through hypnotic suggestion had the greatest effect on strength increase. Would be interesting to see a study that introduces just dopamine tablets and monitors strength gains.

I don’t know if somebody already said it, but I also think that Babidis magic somehow eliminates doubt. When you habe doubt about a topic, everything you think, feel, decide and do in said topic is underlined by questions like “is this right? Why am I doing this? Could I do something else? What happens when I lose or win or surrender or whatever” and other stuff. And like I think all athletes know, you cannot perform well wenn you are insecure about what you do. No matter what – when you run but doubt your ability or motivation or the fate of you or the other runners, you won’t be as fast / agile like let me say, a beast. An animal who doesn’t think, but just feels the drive to RUN – and it runs. As fast as physically possible, it just does it. Same goes for every discipline or action – exams, sex, gaming, lifting, fighting. Doubt hinders you, and you fall back and don’t even come close to your full potential. Because WITHOUT doubt, we can achieve awesome things.

Well if you think back to how gohan and krillin got their potential unlocked on namek by the elder, and how gohan got that even more unlocked in the kaioshin realm by Supreme Kai. I think Babidi’s magic works the same way as this, but obviously in the “Dark” way. Especially how you mentioned the fact that Bibidi & Babidi’s magic rivaled the Kai’s at on point in time. You’re able to see these two sides of magic flourish as parellels in the Buu saga with Gohan and Vegeta. Vegeta unlocks his underlying strength & potential through the use of Babidi’s Dark Magic, and Gohan unlocks his through the use of the Kai’s Light/Good magic.

The concept of dark magic in Dragonball always got me thinking of the possiblity of a Dark Super Saiyan. Aside from old school Broly and of course Goku Black in Super (even though he was just Zamasu in Goku’s body), we’ve never actually seen a pure evil Super Saiyan before, so the idea of a Super Saiyan fueled by dark magic or evil ki just always seemed cool to me. Picture like a Saiyan character who is the inverse of a regular Saiyan character in terms of power and appearance. This Saiyan could have blonde hair in their base form, and when they go Super Saiyan, their hair turns black, and maybe they have red eyes or some other unique physical characteristic, and their body emits this dark, nightmarish energy. That’s just my idea though.

problem with the way that toriyama just creates these characters as it leads to the question “why were these guys when the shit went down!”questions like “where was beerus when the supreme Kai’s were getting slaughtered, where was broly when whis scanned the universe for saiyans,and are you saying that Goku black killed Jiren and the pride trooper’s!”in dragon Ball z we didn’t have this problem because the arcs weren’t that connected in a way that they affected each other but in super creating galactic characters with no explanation as where they were how they got there is creating plot holes on plot holes more questions than answers. am I right!

I’m currently re perusal Dragonball. Why haven’t they made it into an adventure style article game yet? So many DBZ games that are just fighter with the story, but I think an open world Dragonball game would be a major success if done correctly. I’m glad that super is kinda going back Tu basics with Moro you got a nice mix of Dragonball and DBZ in this most recent arch

The magic unlocking some biochemistry aspect is a pretty neat idea. I think it might also just be that by tapping into the sinful part of a person, babidi makes them of that singular purpose and now that the good and evil within a person is no longer conflicting that is portrayed as an increase in power. However since it is artificial (Babidis magic) that’s why they got this junkie veiny look. I also want to mention toppo’s god transformation as an example, when he renounced justice for destruction it unlocks his power. Same thing happens with ssbe, vegeta realigns himself with his pride as the saiyan prince and it pushes him past his limit. This is true to the old school dragonball mystic martial arts themes that toriyama was reconnecting to in the buu saga.

Therefore Babidi’s spell doesn’t raise your power, but unleashes your mental restrains – it pushes your body into its limit sacrificing pain receptors (similarly as Berserk armour does to Guts). Sadly, Geekdom only described what magic does, but not how it works or what is it. Well, it’s Toriyama’s fault for leaving explanations aside. That’s why I hate unexplainable forces called magic. On the other hand, Full Metall Alchemist Brotherhood’s magic system is a kind of magic I accept.

In all honesty, I took Babadi’s dark magic as another “selling your soul to the devil” cliche. It gives you power, but you lose yourself in the midst (amplifying one’s inner darkness). Plus the Xenoverse series re-used this gimmick in both the story mode and parallel quests. Out of everyone that fell under the spell, Vegeta was a unique case: Sure he may have wanted to settle the score with Goku at all costs, but he retained his humanity when dealing with Majin Buu (meaning with a strong enough willpower, you won’t be a mind slave).

@geekdom101 hey im curious just because i seen somewhere online that genjutsu from natuto would be able to defeat goku and vegeta and I always thought it would have no effect on them due to what vegeta displayed in this arc which I thought was complete control over babidis magic since babidi didnt make him do anything at all. Killing the civilians at the arena was in just a way to show goku he means buisness and i think babidi had no control over that. So personally I think sayians as strong as they were in the cell arc nd above wouldnt be affected by genjutsu due to the amount of physical nd metal training they already indured. Whats your thoughts on this

The thing about “Magic” is that it defies logic and scientific reason. That’s why it’s magic. Yeah, you can try to give a more scientific explanation to a character’s magical abilities, but it’s not really necessary. His magic gives them a power boost during possession because it’s magic. We’re already dealing with a world that doesn’t makes sense on out real life scientific level, so when magic is involved, I just look at it as what it is, no explanations needed. On a side note, I would like an explanation on why Piccolo can’t create Dragon Balls. I know he’s meant to be part of the Warrior Clan and only Dragon Clan members can make dragon balls, by WHY is Piccolo part of the Warrior Clan? Piccolo Daimao was an evil Kami, created when Kami had to separate his evil from his body to become Kami. So Piccolo Daimao is literally just an evil clone of Kami, and thus a Dragon Clan Namekian. Piccolo Jr. is his son, and in a sense Kami’s son, with Piccolo Daimao’s life force infused in him. Wouldn’t this mean Piccolo Jr. is also a member of the Dragon Clan? What determines whether a Namekian is Dragon or Warrior Clan?

So… is the only reason Beerus is alive because the grand supreme kai is inside fat Buu? He dies if the Grand supreme kai dies right? The current supreme kai isn’t a grand supreme kai right? Or does it take every supreme kai dying for Beerus to die? Or is he the de facto grand supreme kai? The plot point of destroyers dying if the supreme kai does doesn’t make sense to me when there’s four of them and a kai above those four