The Muffin Man nursery rhyme, inspired by a real 16th-century serial killer, is believed to be about Frederick Thomas Lynwood, also known as the Drury Lane Dicer. Lynwood was the first known serial killer in England and was believed to have killed 15 children by luring them into dark alleys with muffins on strings. He is also said to have murdered seven rival pastry men.
The rhyme was first written down in 1820 and is about a muffin man working on Drury Lane in London’s West End. Urban legend claims that a local baker named Frederick Thomas Lynwood, who lived on Drury Lane, lured children into a dark alley by tying baked goods such as English muffins onto a string to murder them. There are no historical records of Lynwood.
The Muffin Man nursery rhyme was first written down in 1820 and supposedly warned kids away from Drury Lane. However, there are no historical records of Lynwood. The song was first written down in 1820 and supposedly about a muffin man working on Drury Lane, found in London’s West End. The Muffin Man was actually a real life serial killer during the 1800s, and it was this guy named Frederick Thomas Linwood.
Following findings from Snopes and other sources, the story of Frederick Thomas Lynwood as a muffin-wielding murderer has been debunked. The Muffin Man nursery rhyme remains a popular and controversial topic in popular culture, with its connection to popular culture and the infamous Muffin Man.
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Drury Lane was never a really rough part of London. That honour went to the other side of Covent Garden where you found St Giles’ rookery. Drury Lane was an older part of London. The lane itself dated from before Tudor times and was ‘famed’ for a pub that’s now called The White Hart (Henry VIII is recorded as taking one of his doxies there). When the Earl of Bedford, John Russell, was developing Covent Garden to be an upscale gated community for the wannabe posh, Drury Lane was regarded as something of a charming and ‘respectable’ thoroughfare in the 17th century. By the 18th century, the area had become decidedly lower-rent as fruit sellers moved into Covent Garden and more taverns, brothels and theatres sprung up on Drury Lane and the surrounding streets (think of it as 18th-century Netflix and Chill). But it was by no means a slum – it’d probably be closer to New York’s Time Square before it was cleaned up. Prostitution was a major industry in the area – there used to be printed guides informing gentlemen (and ladies) as to where the best brothels were, which courtesans were rated highest by patrons, what their specialities were, how much they cost in addition to listing the actresses who dabbled in prostitution and the prostitutes who dabbled in acting. (It also listed the whores who’d indulge in lesbian acts – aka ‘the game of flats’.) Because of this, I’d suspect the likeliest occupation of the Muffin Man was either a pimp or a local guide to the best of bawdiness the neighbourhood had to offer.
I had a stepdad from 5-10 years old. When I was little if I missbehaved he told me he would call the ‘kiddie police” and they would take me away. I met up with him years later as an adult and got to tell him my entire childhood, I understood it as “the kitty police”. I envisioned two cats walking upright in cop uniforms that would come and take me away 😂😂😂, never realized until I was an adult he was saying “kiddie” not ‘kitty”.
Having lived on the periphery of the film industry and known that most actors have second jobs and having been aware of Drury Lane theater, it occurred to me that this man could have been an actor bunking in the theater and baking when not acting. The ‘muffin man’ song would make a perfect advertising jingle and most actors are also musical.
The City I lived in as a child actually had a street called Drury Lane. When I was about 4 years old, I went with my Mum who needed a dress altering. When she told me the seamstress lived in Drury Lane, I asked her if we could also buy muffins from the Muffin Man! I couldn’t understand why she was laughing.
“English muffins” are almost impossible to find in the UK. I’ve never seen them. They look similar to crumpets, but they taste different and they have a different texture. There is some debate as to whether or not the muffins that the muffin men used to hawk were actually like the “English muffins” found in America, or not. I looked at all pictures of them online, from the 19th century, but I couldn’t tell. I actually think the rhyme is about an actual muffin man selling actual muffins. Not the most exciting idea. But likely
That’s so interesting! I kinda like the idea of the muffinman being a murderer cause it would kind of tie in to parents telling their kids. That and i can see teachers coming up with rhymes to tell children as a sort of memory device. For it to be so well known in a place full of people, no doubt the rhyme would be refering to something either good or bad. Then over time, the good or bad wasn’t completely horrifying or blessed, but kids still referred to the little rhyme for fun and it just lost it’s true meaning. Great episode as always! Thanks man! 😀
Just a comment on the “lives in Drury Lane” line: I’ve heard that in British English, it’s common to say someone lives in a street to mean the same thing as saying they live on a street in US English. I actually looked this up on a few different forums about differences between UK and US English. I do like the idea of someone making his home in the theater and becoming a local celebrity, though.
Great article as always. I found a Youtube article by a guy called Jonny Valentine which is also excellent and explains what life was like as a muffin man! Apparently, the muffin men rang a bell but the British Parliament banned them from ringing it in the street. I don’t think I can add a link here without it being blocked but it’s definitely worth a look. Top work Solo Fam
I think it’s most likely a playful song about the way people would banter about other townsfolk and share stories. “Hey do you know Joe?” “Joe?” “Yea, Joe. You know, lives down 1st street?” “Oh yea I know Joe!” Que some bit of juicy gossip about Joe. This would also lend to it becoming a children’s game wherein they go around asking people if they know this person or that.
Oh my gosh dude i stopped perusal lore articles for a long time and your website was the first website that i watched. It was mainly star wars if I believe. Im sorry to say i forgot your website existed but you just popped up in my recommended and i am turning in notifications to that doesn’t happen again. Im glad you’re still posting!!
Honestly, I half-expected the “real” muffin man to end up being some kind of cannibalistic baker who pulled off some Sweeny Todd-style muffin selling stuff or something along those lines, so the serial killer angle doesn’t surprise me. It seems like a lot of various seemingly innocent things at least have theories about them being somehow related to serial killers and the like.
Fun fact for you…ALL nursery rhymes and children’s songs were made as tales of caution for kids. Ring around the rosey was made about plague, fairy tales were actually horror stories to caution kids until Disney & overprotective parents turned them into all “sunshine & rainbows”. Leaving kids niave and more trusting of strangers then they should be
I would LOVE to see a article on Valkyries (Norse mythology) and/or the Amazons (Greek Mythology)! I have a soft spot for Norse mythology, and I love your series on it thus far! I absolutely LOVE your articles, and as an aspiring author, it’s so refreshing to hear the true origins of where our stories come from! Keep up the amazing work! Edit: the topic of what the Norse Vikings were actually like also sounds interesting! How they dressed, culture, etc. I’ve heard that Hollywood gets it wrong most of the time (surprising no one lol), but I haven’t done much research myself.
Can you tell us the actual origins of this popular Japanese children’s song? “Tan Tan Tanuki No kintama wa Kaze mo nai no ni Bura bura” It means, “Tan Tan Tanuki’s balls, even when there is no wind, they swing swing” Seriously, tanuki lore focuses on their giant testicles, and how they use them as wheelbarrows, parachutes, weapons, etc. Mario wore a tanuki suit. It’s one of his most famous power ups.
I thought it was something to do with homelessness.. like the ragamuffin man 😂 and I’ve never heard of the term “coxcomb” which you mentioned.. 😆 but there is a term called “Cock Scum” meaning Penis Scum or Filth😆 Referring to the dead skin under a mans foreskin that’s not been cleaned.. I’m from East London, land of the cockney.. and I can confirm, “coxcomb” is definitely not how it was spelled 😂 And I thought “Dreary Lane” meant a dark lane.. because Dreary means dark or dull.
I had to giggle a bit, because I swear the intimidating chef photo in the thumbnail is a guy who used to go by the stage name Mr. Food & did recipes on the local news in the Youngstown, OH area until he died about 15-20 years ago. I think the replacement is also called Mr. Food, but that guy was kind of iconic.
Given its a children’s nursery rhyme, some have been hinted as WARNINGS, I speculate perhaps the most believable and likely scenario was that it was a warning of either a food seller in a low income neighborhood selling crappy quality food or perhaps someone dangerous to children like a slave trafficker (which from ancestry stories I read about from this time period and in England did actually happen); a pervert type criminal; or perhaps a killer of young victims. It’s hard to say which of the three (or the previous one about bad food) but given that I already know of some actual stories and examples, I’d lean towards the slave trafficker for money of unsupervised children. There’s historical stories of some bad neighborhoods where children were in fact kidnapped and sold as slaves or taken onto ships to other countries as indentured servants to pay for the cost of the trip like a kind of fraud or scam.
I love all your articles 🙂 I especially enjoyed 4:05+ on today’s article, which caused me to stop my work and roll it back to see if it was just an odd point you were being amusing on with the pronunciation or if it indeed was… well, basically what you said. Then I listened to it a few more times while laughing like a nut. Keep being awesome, Jon.
Nearby the crimson district, the Muffin Man is a specialty shop that sells pastries. The size, color, flavoring, toppings, and the interesting shape of them are significant. Upon purchasing at least one, the customer is escorted to a oddly decorated dining room to enjoy their treat. Coincidentally, they will find people in that room, whose appearance and character resembles the muffin. In this way, a pleasant time is had with good company. Customers who buy a mussel are permitted to stay overnight as honored guests. /false lore
They used to tell us in Linguistics that the present forms of rhymes and lyrics in Modern English can’t be trusted, because children don’t “invent” rhymes so much as substitute familiar names and places for unfamiliar. Especially if the original is in a foreign language. The great unsung repository of Civilization’s folk culture has always been foreign-born nannies and immigrant grandmothers.
I like the simpler theory of it being a way to verify that a food vendor wasn’t adulterating his wares to save money/extend his output. It had never occurred to me that this was a time when food purity wasn’t regulated and all sorts of terrible practices were extant. It would make sense that word of mouth and neighborhood recommendations would matter. I also think it’s reasonable to assume that the specificity of muffins and Drury Lane would become the default simply because of their sing-ability.
Americans please note that in England a muffin is quite a different bakery item to that known as a muffin in America. An English muffin is a type of flatbread roll which is normally grilled/toasted before it is eaten. They are often eaten at breakfast with butter and/or jam, although savoury versions also exist. Most major supermarket sell them in packs of 6 or 8.
I know I’m 9 months late to the party, but I used to live near Scheveningen! It’s the beachy area in the Hague. It’s super popular with tourists, so it makes sense for there to be a “mussels man” right off the beach in a spa town. Whether that mussel seller was also a pimp is another matter entirely, but hey, tourists come to the Netherlands for more than just legal weed, amirite?
It’s fun to see the rhyme about the mussel man, as a kid I have singed that song so much. At my school we did also song “… mag ik over steken” (= ‘… may I cross’) at gym time to ask if we could run from side to side. After that question you asked how (which would always be a weird answer) and then hope you didn’t got caught during the run. Sometimes the mussel man was mixed in this game. (I am also aware this might sound weird to people who are not from the Netherlands.)
I gotta say, your attemp at saying Scheveningen made my week. However, although in English, clam is a euphemism, in Dutch, mussels isn’t a euphemism for vagina. So that one doesn’t work. It’s much more likely that the Dutch version is simply a derivative of the English version, as there was a lot of common trade between the two countries, etc. This doesn’t explain why Scheveningen – although a fishing town, they don’t fish for mussels there, and the big places (back then) that did could’ve easily fitted the rhyme.
English muffins are usually called crumpets and women especially of a lower class back then would some times be referred to as a crumpet or slag, I’d love a bit of crumpet, she’s a lovely little crumpet ect so I find the muffin man might mean a ragamuffin as that would make more sense using the language that they would have used at the time.
And it always helps to keep in mind what the eminent Classicist Edith Hamilton said about ancient literature, that very little actually comes down to us, and we have no way of knowing whether even that which survives was the best or most representative, so we have to resign ourselves to the fact that we probably never know…
Well, if you look at the time of the song, it may be in a Victorian era. Work houses, wars, pandemics etc… must come to weigh on this dark nursery rhyme. I love these vids you make. It wakes up my inner researcher. Im gonna do my due diligence for a deeper understanding of the importance of nursery rhymes. The correlation of passing down messages, history, main events and politics. The psychology behind the adage
Ha! I know the Druery Lane theater you went to, I used to pass it everyday on my way home from work when I worked up in Woodale and Itasca (I work from home now). Funny, I never expect ppl I listen to on YouTube to live near or somewhat near me (Durery Lane is about 40 mins to an hr from my home in NW Indiana depending on traffic, but even my corner of IN is considered the “Chicagoland” area) 😅 Sometimes it’s a small world after all lol
@8:07 yeah when I clicked on this article of dark origin stories; I was thinking of the muffin man could be like that.. but I also try to think positive that he was selling muffins that didn’t take the dark turn on the lore of the rhyme. @11:45 😂 the muffin man is the murderer and the mussel man is a pep.. and here I was thinking the opposite (I mean yeah I was kinda thinking both ways as mentioned in the above comment) the muffin man is pep and the mussel man is the murderer cause he’s strong. I don’t have a reason for the muffin man it would and could be either way.
Actually bread has been highly regulated since the Roman era. In the 1700’s and 1800’s a baker would be a member of a guild. Why were bakers so important? A wood fired earthen oven was expensive to fire and required a lot fuel and effort. They didn’t have gas or electric stoves. It was a specialty profession. It was so important in ancient history that the Roman’s setup near industrial levels of bread production. Archeologist have found water powered milling operations that took up the side of a mountain with multiple layers of flour production. Bakers were required to place there mark on the bread and identify the type of bread. If you got caught putting chalk in your bread you would be either fined or arrested and likely imprisoned without trial.
Nothing can be read into the use of “in” or “”on, it was common for a newspaper to say an article is continued “in the back page”, “in” and “on” can be interchangeable. I expect theaters had kitchens to feed the actors and crew, most of the crew would have been actors. However it probably has little bases on an actual person
I believe there were earlier versions of the Muffin Man that nobody but historical societies would be in possession of now … My grandmother sang an old version she learned as a child in England, around 1918., and according to stories at the time, he was a real person, and lived on Drury Lane… His was the last surviving business on the whole street (lane), and he gained attention by refusing to shut up shop when his building, along with the derelict ones, were condemned and ordered to be demolished. The locals apparently admired and supported him during his “sit in” until there was a mysterious fire and the baker was never seen again…. Whether he did it himself and retired to the coast, or there were dirty dealings going on to flush him out, ( or worse!) wasn’t known, and that led to so much speculation that his legend lives on… Some believed he perished in the fire and his ghost haunts the former bakery… Either way, the song circulated as a result of the mystery surrounding his sudden departure… ( Do you know him? Have you seen him?) I doubt they found his remains though, or the song would be darker – unless the truth was covered up? … But it was, never-the-less, a mystery…. Personally, I think mothers would warn their children of what happens when you don’t obey orders, so made an example of the muffin man … Or his ghost – to keep their kids in at night. The song does have a creepy vibe to it… It’s a shame most folk only referred to him as The Muffin Man, as London was so over – populated that, as you point out, it was easier to identify people by their profession.
I’ll preface this by mentioning I’m from England. Born and raised in Bournemouth, Dorset. First off, “in” vs. “on” is not the distinction some seem to think it is. Historically, it wasn’t uncommon to say someone lived IN a street. That one word difference doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Second, the “English muffin” you showed, the Thomas’s, isn’t English at all. It’s an American invention based loosely on the crumpet. The American “English muffin” is actually something of a joke amongst Brits. In merry old England, a muffin is still a muffin, even when the raisins fall off.
ok sorry but your pronunciation of Scheveningen was the funniest thing ever. The sch is famously difficult to pronounce though and rather unique to the Dutch language so don’t feel bad. You just gave me a really good chuckle. (fun fact words like Scheveningen were used in the second world war to flush out German spies because the Germans could not pronounce the word and would give themselves away with that)
Bitten by a radioactive muffin from outer space unearthed in King Tut’s tomb on a Friday the 13th during a solar eclipse, Mufford McManfredsteinson of the New Jersey McManfredsteinsons would develop the proportionate strength and abilities of a. Radioactive Muffin. From outer space. But as he entered the ultimate baking competition, he would be completely helpless to prevent his uncle Ben McManfredsteinson from being murdered by a burglar. Realizing that his uncle’s death was his own fault for trying to enjoy his life just a little bit, Mufford learned that with great power must come great responsibility, and so adopted the title of. The Muffin Man. As the Muffin Man, Mufford was able to bake a muffin made of dog feces and cat urine. With the help of his muffin powers, he was able to track down the burglar and force him to eat the nasty muffin, without anything to wash it down with. The buglar would fall over unconscious, where he would wake up after being bitten by a radioactive burglar. This burglar bite would grant him the proportionate strength and abilities of a burglar. But while he was fighting the Muffin Man, the Burglar’s Uncle Ben would die. And so the Burglar, Burgess Lars McSteelydansonstein the third, would go on to become Burgular, able to. Burgle like none other. But as he was out searching for Muffin Man, he had no idea that his Uncle Ben had made a quick recovery, his death being caused from being bitten by a radioactive Uncle Ben. And so Uncle Ben would become Uncle Ben Man, teaching people everywhere that with great power comes great responsibility.
you are forgetting that ages ago songs, dances and stories were a way of keeping records of events that occurred and people felt should be remembered, but as with many records the meaning has been lost over time and also due to meanings of words and phrases changing over time, the story is no longer understud the way it used to be…….
Given the wide variety of how the term and terms eventually leads to a certain lady part more often than not (or even “sexy food”), I’d say that the “Muffin Man” was a pimp. I thought that for years, and despite you giving me food for thought otherwise, you pretty much reinforced how I already saw it.
Muff, an article of clothing, has long (1600s) been used as slang for the female pudendum and “muffin” as a diminutive appears to be much the same. Also the environs of Drury Lane (the theatre) were infamous for prostitution and also actresses of from the 1700s through the 1800s were often regarded as little better than prostitutes. Hence the “Muffin Man” could have been either a pimp or a theatre manager
Thinking of a tramp living secretly in a theater and all I can think is a bit more Marx Brothers than Grimm. Seriously I think Harpo fills that literal role in several movies 😂 at least two of them for certain. *Interesting thought given how early on in theater’s transition from stage and theater troops to silver screens and Hollywood they are. Maybe the Muffin man was an inside theater troop joke that Harpo kind of based said character on. Just a fun thought, seems almost like a gentle mocking of patrons thing like you would have seen in a burlesque show given that context.