The Chuck E. Cheese conspiracy theory suggests that the pizza and kids’ entertainment giant saves money by assembling uneaten slices from ordered pizzas into new pizzas and passing them off as just-baked. This theory gained viral popularity in February 2019, with YouTube star Shane Dawson circulating a video about the chain. The video, which is long and interspersed with a story about an allegedly abusive man, was shared on YouTube.
Chuck E. Cheese has been forced to deny that the chain repurposes old, uneaten pizza slices to form “fresh” pizzas after a YouTuber circulated the theory in a video published earlier this week. The chain has since issued a statement after the video went viral.
In a statement, Chuck E. Cheese denied a conspiracy theory amplified on YouTube this week. The chain stated that they do not recycle their pizza slices and that the kitchen guys make them fresh.
Chuck E. Cheese has been forced to issue a statement after a popular YouTuber’s conspiracy video went viral. The chain has stated that its pizzas are made to order and prepare dough fresh in the restaurant, which means that there are no conspiracies surrounding the chain.
📹 Chuck E. Cheese addresses conspiracy that they recycle pizza
Chuck E. Cheese was forced to issue a statement after a popular Youtuber’s conspiracy video went viral. The video shared earlier …
📹 Food Theory: The Disturbing Lore of Chuck E Cheese
… enjoy my dive into the lore of the Rainforest Cafe, so I figured it was time to return to the real life FNAF that is Chuck E Cheese.
You literally just read out Chuck e cheese’s tweet. Obviously they won’t tell the truth, you need proper evidence. Also the tweet explains nothing. Shane talked about the fact that the slices were completed different sizes and the pepperonis didn’t match up with each other. All Chuck e cheese said was that ‘it’s like that because no pizza is perfect’. That makes no sense,the crusts should still just about line up with each other. Honestly Chuck e cheese is really not helping themselves out here.
They have many customized pizzas in the back. So they just pick from each one as many customers ask for a customized pizza to begin with. For example, I can ask for a quarter of pizza with jalapeños, a quarter with ham and cheese, a quarter with only cheese, etc. They do this so they attend as many customers as possible.
It will never be known if they actually do recycle their pizzas. There are many restaurants in different locations and it varies by the manager,chef,workers,ect. However it’s so clear some actually do recycle the pizzas. They’re trying to cover it up and whenever they make a article they try to show it as chunky as possible so it can look believable. But some people’s posts were much different from what Chuck E Cheese has said.
I’ve been going to Chuck E Cheeses since I was 5. Of course, I’m to old for it now but my Aunt takes my 3 year old bro and my 3 year old god sister and we always get Pizza. This makes me sick that they don’t care about everyone’s health. So one could be sick and they wanna spread that too us!? I’m totally telling my Aunt about this. That’s the last time I’m ever eating pizza from them and possibly the last time we ever go to Chuck E Cheeses. I hope they tear all of them down
First off, I love Their cheese pizza for some odd reason. But now this has me questioning my own experience.. I ordered a Chuck E. Cheese pizza off doordash about 6 months ago. When it arrived to my house the pizza was not uniform and all spread out. I pieced it together and it was missing a small slice. I figured it must have been the slob of a driver who tried to pull a fast one. Well I sent a complaint to doordash but now I’m wondering if I just got recycled pizza..
i think they are too safe because they used a rocking blade that has next to no edge on it for safety reasons. the other half of you’re pepperoni? it’s slipped to the inside of the cut.shout out to food theory for creating evidence of this:youtube.com/watch?v=LdypKKKQ8uA&ab_channel=TheFoodTheorists
ITS TRUE GUYS!! At least my CEC does It! My two bff’s used to work there as teenagers back in the late 90’s they said to NEVER eat the pizza! They joked and called it RECYCLED as we all laughed we were kids it was funny to us!! Now after seeing Shane’s article, I remembered what my friends used to say to me and can confirm that this is REAL 100 percent!
I still believe the theory when you watch his vid it is obvious when you cut a pizza you cut in a straight diagonal line well when you look at one of their pizzas it shows that they do not cut their pizzas in one straight diagonal line it is like they started cutting in one direction then changed their mind and and started to change the direction of that line
I’ve had absolutely outstanding Chuck E. Cheese’s pizza, especially for their standards and have had just atrocious tasting Chuck E. Cheese pizza. The difference in the taste is baffling considering they’re both part of the same restaurant chain, but I’d agree with the fact that some people only say Chuck E. Cheese pizza is bad because they want to stick to the status quo and be generic and cool. I mean it is a kid’s place, I was honestly originally embarrassed to say that I loved their pizza too a while back but it’s honestly pretty darn good. And I live in new Haven which has phenomenal pizza so yeah!! The best Chuck E. Cheese pizza I’ve had is in Baltimore it’s just amazing. The second best being in Connecticut where as I said before is where I live. The slices have always looked clean to me.
Shane Lee Yaw or Shane Dawson is an American Youtuber who has a theory about Chuck E. Cheese pizza. He was born in California in 1988 when chuck e cheese was a big hit. He has two websites with over 7 million subscribers on each website. His conspiracy theory got over 7 million views in less than a day, Then two days later 17 million people saw it. Now, remember once you get 10,000 subscribers, you can get paid 100-300$ per sponsor. His article about chuck e cheese pizza was an hour long and you can expect 100$ from youtube ads depending on the sponsorship and the views. If he wanted the views, well he should have thought about the impact it can have on him and the CEC (Chuck E Cheese) business. He says it was just a theory, but it’s now affecting business, reviews and the people who come there. I had asked one of the workers, they said they had customers try to record and trespass into there kitchen. Let’s think logically if they had actually re-use pizza they would have to re-heat and re-adjust the pizza and that takes time, Why would someone leave their pizza out instead of taking it home or throwing it away and if this was true they would have more complaints and get shut down by health inspectors. Which they have been inspected frequently and they prepare their dough fresh. So why is it uneven? Well, the cook slides it on the cutting board and after it gets cut it slides on a tray. They also hand cut pizzas and the pizza is large and somewhat heavy, so there is usually a rush and it can be hard when they get newer employees, they have to learn.
“We make our dough fresh, which means they’re not always perfectly in shape”. As someone who worked in a pizza eatery (Sbarro) for almost 8 years, i can guarantee thats a load of bullshit. Not only did we make the pizza fresh, we made the dough fresh too. Never faced a problem of an uneven shape and toppings. Fresh pizza dough made on the spot does not affect the pizzas shape at all.
Even if this is true, it seems like it would just be a waste of time and bring productivity down. Just think about it, you make a pizza, then cut some bits out and then fill them up with recycled pizza. What do you do with the bits you just cut out? Do you just recycle them? When does that loop end? What would be the point? How much money could you possibly save by getting a few extra slices of pizza? And by the end of the day, if you don’t have enough to form one last full pizza, you would end up having to throw them away anyway because you couldn’t sell a pizza without all the slices.
Trust me I’ve worked there for 24 years and you can cut a perfect pizza every once in a while but you trust me when you’re doing a half a half and even just a regular pizza sometimes it’s harder it’s harder to cut and it doesn’t always come out the way that it should so unless you know how to cut a pizzadon’t ever ever criticize
One franchise doesn’t represent the entirety of the company. If there is truth to this it was probably certain ones. I can guarantee it’s not company policy to reuse pizza. It may have happened. But saying all Chuck e cheeses reuse pizza is like saying all McDonald’s have dirty bathrooms because the one by you has a dirty bathroom. They are all run by different people.
People in the comments acting like its no big deal and Others are just being picky😒 Like if Someone is breathing, talking, and coughing over My pizza watering My pizza with a fine mist of Their hepatitis before I got it..It matters! If Someone used the bathroom and decided to not wash They hands and was touching on the pizza slices adding streptococcus seasoning to My pizza crust..it matters!
They make the pizzas themself, if you grabbed some pizza dough and made the best circle you could, would it be perfect? Also they cut the pizzas themselves too, (why wouldn’t they) so it’s gonna be uneven, then they put the pizza in the pizza box and the pepperoni is probably gonna slide therefore it’s also uneven.
Just watched the article of them making it fresh. It was legit, however they never explained how some of the pizzas came out uneven. When they made the pizza fresh it came out perfectly even. So in other words their article proved nothing. If anything it makes a point that they are capable of making fresh pizzas perfectly even, so when your pizza is not even then that means that it’s not fresh.
I loved chucky cheese pizza… haven’t had it in about 28 years but what I remember was a very awesome pizza … actually after perusal this I’m craving chucky cheese pizza, I just don’t have kids to take there and a grown ass man can’t just walk into chucky cheese lmaooo DAMN I WISH I WAS A KID AGAIN!!!
It’s like they’re trying to save their company for going bankrupt I sure hope the pizza safe to recycle so they can help you avoid going bankrupt it’s like a mr. Burns situation where mr. Burns is like hurry up Smithers recycle this pizza I’m not going to go bankrupt because some people didn’t want to eat our pizza we recycle so the kids and their parents give us good reviews
Ok as an 80’s kid … well we had the Showbiz … Showtime … it was the other Chuck e Cheese place but had a big ass robotic Gorilla and other animals in a band … I had a few birthday parties there. I do not recall eating pizza, though, I am sure it was there. I can’t recall it being good or bad … but I will tell you that without a doubt there is not a way that I would enter imto a Suck my Cheese pizza place ever at this point in my life. Much more so now that they have lied about not recycling slices of pizza. Nasty shit, like, Hungry Howies is nasty ass hell too … only slightly … like this much . Iphetter is Little Cesar’s. But naw, screw any of those places, throw thatshit away people.
Chuck e cheese’s said their cheese shrinks in the oven that’s why it looks like that…. Um I make pizza at home 100% homemade and none of my pizzas look like that infact in my experience of making pizza not once have I seen cheese shrink in the over I’ve seen cheese melt and spread out… You know what does shrink under heat? Plastic.
and the food theorists a youtube website made a article debunking the theory as false with going there during a pandemic if nobody is in the restaurant how can the pizzas be like what the photos also with the rise of photoshop pictures were not enough and they talked to one former & current employee at the restaurant saying the cutting materials are the reason just go watch the article they go further in than this comment
If you can find that tweet from the company, you will see it has a article to go with it. Where it shows them cutting the pizza on a board and then when they slide it onto the black tray, all the slices get slightly misplaced making it look like it was never one full pizza. To be fair. When I was perusal Shane’s article. If you look closely all the pepperonis do match up on the full pepperoni pizza
I’m a former employee, and I was employed in 2020. I don’t know what happened, but after isolation, our district had some of the best financial success we’d had, according to a one-off comment from my manager. Don’t worry, Chuck’s won’t be going away anytime soon. The animatronics are being removed one location at a time, though, and being replaced by a dance floor, if those plans are still in place. The mascot costume isn’t being phased out, either, much to employees’ despise. The shows are just getting shorter and shorter to accommodate how laborious the shows are. We all learn Chuck’s backstory during training. Whether or not we actually make an effort to remember it is up to the individual. I always did, because I’m a lore-conscious cast member.
great article! matpat included a lot of details that i rarely see talked about, however he did get a few details wrong. Chucks name was originally ricky rat, and it was actually Bushnells friend who bought the original costume, and a friend who told him having rat in the name was a bad idea. Bushnell also wasn’t a huge disney fan, but his daughter was. he used to work for disney parks and used their scrapped idea for an animatronic eat-in as a basis for Check E Cheese. as well as him wanting to make more money off of Atari games, as the versions of in-home games that existed at the time looked weird, and no one really wanted them. other than those small details (and a few more that didn’t matter much,) a great covering of Chucks history and story!
Here’s another interesting theory idea: Chuck E. Cheese’s connections to Barney The Dinosaur! Because there’s actually quite a lot of them. 1. The original voice of Barney from 1988 to 2000, Bob West, also voiced Jasper and Pasqually around the same time. 2. Duncan Brennan, the voice of Chuck E from the early 90s to the early 2010s including in the Galaxy 5000 article, was also the singing voice for Barney for a short period of time. 3. One of the writers of Barney previously was a writer for Chuck E Cheese. 4. Chuck E Cheese was a sponsor for Barney on PBS for a long time!
I just watch the concept unification for changing the animatronics’ cosmetics to Chuck E Cheese characters and it is sort of creepy, but the jazz in the background is comforting. Maybe that’s just me. It’s definitely the inspiration for that parts and repairs article by battington… or the inspiration for the article that battington’s one was based off.
I love how in-depth MatPat gets when making any theory. Also I lived near a Chuck E. Cheese and my brother used to work there, but it shut down a little before the pandemic. It’s still just dirt, I pass by almost everyday and it just brings back memories. Also I have a question: How long could someone survive off of one singular food, for example, tortillas, or beans?
1:50 hold up, wasn’t this one of the notes in Security Breach? Edit: Yep, just checked the wiki, here it is: “CUSTOMER COMPLAINT – The pizza we ordered was weird. Some pieces were different sizes or didn’t fit together. One slice even had different toppings. Did you recycle the old pizza from the trash? I am never coming back here unless I am given some sort of major discount. – Angry Mom” Edit #2: Please stop saying “the fnaf thing was a reference to this irl incident” I KNOW THAT
Former Employee & fan of Chuck E Cheese, Munch was originally a MONSTER (NOT an Alien). He only became an Alien after being Rebranded during the current Rockstar era (beginning in 2012). His first song on the matter was “Planet Purple Point of View” in 2017. Then, 3 years later, he became “An Interstellar Monster” as recited in the song “He’s Mr. Munch” in 2020. Thus, for nearly 40 years, starting from 1978, Munch was still recognized as a Monster by the Chuck E Cheese company CEC Entertainment LLC. (Formerly CEC Entertainment Inc., Showbiz Pizza Time Inc., and Pizza Time Theatre, Inc.)
Fun Fact: In the most recent Diary of a Wimpy Kid Book, Greg and one of Rodrick’s bandmates go to a pizzeria arcade with animatronics, (clearly a Chucky Cheese reference) and in that part of the story, a woman gets mad because the pizzas have uneven sliced that ‘appear to be made of other people’s recycled pizzas.’
I vividly remember those anamatronics playing on stage in the early 2000s, but does anyone remember the comic strips that were printed on the side of the arcade games giving backstories to some of the side characters? There was one where they talked about the dog being a raceway driver, the chicken going out to take photos (on the side of the photo booth where you sat in a car with Chucke) and the band meeting the purple monster. Should totally see if you can find those to add to the lore.
I actually remember having pretty good times in the Chuck E cheese in Altoona. Sure it’s shut down now, but it was decent fun with friends and the animatronics didn’t really bother us at all. Kinda sad it fell on hard times like it did,. but glad that theories like this bring up the memories every once in a while.
There was a girl in my kindergarten class named Maria who LOVED cats. Every Wednesday, she would be excused and when I say every, I mean it. Every Wednesday, she would go to Chuck E Cheese. When we shared about our day in the morning, all she shared about was that she went to Chuck E Cheese. She missed SO much school just because of that hellhole.
I knew the backstory before I watched this article. Here is what I know “Chuck E. Cheese is an orphan who didn’t know his birthday. He found a restraint that served great pizza. The cook tried to murder Chuck, Chuck sang and was made a star.” THANK GOD this article did not give me nightmares! Love your articles Matpat!!!!!!
I’m an employee at Chuck E Cheese. Part of my training included reading Chuck E’s backstory. Yes. He is an orphan, canonically. We got rid of the animatronics very recently. My location only ever had the one. Stage C Beta. When I was young, I had my birthday party there. My cousin dragged me behind the purple stage curtain and tried to shove my head in Chuck E’s mouth. Mind you this happened in 2010. Anyway, good article! Gonna send this to my coworkers haha
I laugh at the concept of being afraid of animatronic robots as I had amazing fun every time I went to the former Showbiz Pizza when I was a little boy. This was what ours were called in the southeastern U.S. in the 1980’s & early 1990’s prior to being converted to Chuck E. Cheese. It made me want to open a article game arcade.
The story of concept unification (aka turning all the rockifire explosion into cec characters) is actually really sad as all of the props and whatnot that weren’t reused for cec were destroyed. They didn’t want them to be able to be sold so the corporation had them destroyed and now there are very few good quality rockifire props/animatronics and whatnot left. And now cec is trying to faze out the animatronics all together, it’s pretty sad for all those out there that who are passionate about this stuff including myself.
That whole oppressive business relationship, by which Pasquale kept poor Chucky in a perpetual state of singing and smiling (under pain of death), reminds me of Slurms MacKenzie – mascot of the Slurm Centralized Industrial Fabrication Unit (SCIFU) on Planet Wormulon – in the episode of Futurama called, “Fry and the Slurm Factory”, where Slurms had to party non-stop to promote business or else the Slurm Queen would crush him like a worm… crushing a smaller worm… 😅 DRINK SLURM! “It’s highly addictive!”
The backstory mentioned is from the Chuck E Cheese song “every boy every girl”. However, it’s from the 2017 version of the song as there are 2 more versions of it prior to the rock star era & both seem to come from the avenger era, 1997 & 2007. In both versions, Chuck mentions how when he left his home so long ago, about 20 years ago in 1997 & 30 for 2007, he said goodbye to his folks before working at every club across New York making cheesy songs & jokes, & doing shows for kids which was where his dream started. As for Pasqually’s side of the story, he sold pizza from door to door when Chuck needed a master chef who could sing & the two went off to California meeting the other members of Munch’s Make Believe Band. So while the backstory you shared in the article may be true for the 2017 rock star Chuck E., the backstory for the 1997 & 2007 versions which are pretty much the same tells a different story, one of Avenger Chuck. It explains that Chuck has a family but left to start a new life with dreams of entertaining others & Pascqually was just an ordinary pizza chef who got a gig thanks to the mouse. So, either Avenger Chuck considered the orphanage his “folks” if he indeed was an orphan or maybe CEC entertainment sort of retcon the backstory for the 2017 version of the song, which probably wouldn’t matter if Rock Star Chuck is a DIFFERENT character from Avenger Chuck.
Love your articles! Figured its worth mentioning that the article breakdown of the animatronic character is actually Mitzi from The Rockafire explosion. The two bands are actually created by two different people(companies), but, some of the rockafire explosion characters were retrofitted into chuck-e-cheese characters! Pretty neat actually 🔥
Jasper has good taste in books though, I had to read ‘of mice and men’ last year in school and it’s a great book, i recommended, the book has amazing characters and an amazing plot twist, it pulls off funny and just devastating events in scenes, if you ever have the option to read this book i recommend, it’s a great book. 👍🏻
I once had my cousin come over and he said we were gonna watch the chucky movie. Only being 6 years old at the time, I assumed he was talking about the Chuck E Cheese movie, but instead I was tricked into perusal a horror movie about a serial killer doll. Now I’m wondering if the Chucky movie I watched wasn’t so bad compared to the one I could’ve watched…
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In October 2021, my fiancé and I went on our first vacation with no one else, so it was just us, to find places to eat and look for things to do. On our 2nd night there, we decide to stay in after having been at the beach all day. We get on doordash, and start looking for local pizza places. We find papa johns, dominos, all the classics. After 15 minutes, we stumbled across “Pasqually’s Pizza”. We talked about it for a few minutes, that sounded pretty italian to me, and we ended up ordering 2 pizzas and an order of breadsticks. The pizza arrived at 9:50, and i had to do a double take at first. Because “Pasqually’s Pizza” got delivered in chuck E cheese boxes. It was then, that i did remember Pasqually. I just hadn’t thought about him in 15 years. Hes the chef at chuck e cheese. TLDR: Pasqually’s Pizza is Chuck E Cheese pizza, it’s alright. I wouldn’t order it again if i can help it .
4:25 “You have yourself a chef, a dog, a pig. But also a purple alien, the moon, a lineup of singing mops, a literal building, a hippo with jiggle physics and an old man known simply as Mr.Kootch” Reminds me of Pokémon (moon = lunatone, building = (gigantamax) duraludon, purple alien = poipole,…) 😂 I guess every franchise has to jump the shark at some point (being creative all the time is hard).
As someone who works at Chuck E. Cheese, I can just say the animatronics got a whole lot less harrowingly terrifying. There’s only one, and it’s Chuck E. And he’s cute. I love lookin’ at him. I do love hearing about creepy theories surrounding the franchise, and I love being there after dark with the animatronic.
4:46 You can literally switch these training tapes into The Walten Files, Harmony and Horror, or Battington’s FNAF Tapes and it wouldn’t even feel out of place. In fact, you can just use the original tape, distort it a little, insert a few deep fried and stretched animatronics faces in a few frames and nobody could differentiate it as regular analog horror.
13:41 They aren’t missing, most are guest stars (not band members) with the exception of any Warblettes retrofit, The Building, Mr. Moon, Pizza Cam and Munch Jr. They were guests on the show and eventually went on and another came in. Aside from the fact that most of the animatronic guest stars are now missing animatronic wise that’s what happened to them. Now back to the characters I put aside for a bit and what happened to them, idk. When Concept Unification happened CEC retrofitted most of the characters from the Rock afire Explosion (aside from Mr. Moon) and so Munch Jr, Pizza Cam, The Building, and Mr. Moon exists without really an explanation other than them being random backup singers or just there (Munch Jr.). But Munch Jr did appear in a CEC article I’m pretty sure so I guess he’s somewhat noticed by CEC. The Warblettes retrofits don’t have a lot behind them or anything at all other than CEC using them to identify the PTT location back then which is also why guest stars existed at all, just to identify the location or also because it’s just a side show because the pizza place was so packed back in the day that to keep the guests entertained while waiting for food. So in conclusion, not missing but guests. Edit: I forgot to talk about Crusty the Cat who was one of the original band members that was basically replaced 1 year after becoming a part of the band. He was replaced by Mr Munch because he wasn’t very popular. (Thanks to Deadhead 9351 for reminding me)
I’m a little terrified that a real restaurant, owned by real businessman, making real money and serving real people, that has been around since before the internet! would devote such time and marketing into making some kind of real ARG FNAF style story about themselves! I kind of want it to keep going.
The main thing I remember from that Galaxy 5000 movie was the Zoom Gas meme. There’s a villain in the movie who’s been supplying cheating racers with a performance enhancer called Zoom Gas. There’s even a whole musical number about the gas itself sung by said villain. “Zoom Gas, It’s a blast. Zoom Gas, It’ll make you go fast. Zoom Gas, yes yes yes” Thus giving the film an anti-drug message.
Yes they are using old pizza. But you may be asking: Oh how is the cheese connected then? Well they essentially rebake all the old pizza slices together with cheese on top. It burns the bottom, also I’ve smelt it before… It’s disgusting. Oh and in Chuck e’s eyes there is a camera, and in his forehead there’s a microphone. perusal you and listening.
One of the animatronics looks very similar to the one that you can find at Jungle Jims in Ohio. He’s a cat that mimics/Impersonates Elvis just by the way of his outfit. I know this because I saw him. he lives near the candy section at Jungle Jims, and every 5 minutes he’ll play the full song of one of Elvis’s songs throughout his career. Don’t know why I had to write this; I just had an urge to just tell you! anyway Love the articles! We all Love you and the team that puts all of this together for us to enjoy!!!
About 1 year ago my local Chuck E cheese got rid of all the animatronics. I saw this article and most of the lore match’s it lol. Also storyTime: I was about 4 at the time. We went to CEC Afro my birthday. We didn’t say or ask any employees about my birthday. We looked and it was like emptied. We ordered just pizza no special birthday stuff. Suddenly, The animatronics sang happy birthday. I was terrified. But I was 4 so
Talk about a dark story, I’m getting Stromboli vibes like that guy who wanted to take Pinocchio and force him to sing and dance during that song “no strings on me”, it was no different really than the plan that the Stromboli had for pinoch where he was gonna make Pinocchio sing and dance bc he was a living doll and Pinocchio had no rights Stromboli would yell at him and abuse him on some level, he was milking Pinocchio and many others dry, Pasqually sounds like he had the same plan but sadly Chuck didn’t have the same benefits of Pinocchio bc he didn’t have a father or parents or even Jiminy (bc keep in mind if Jiminy wasn’t there, I believe Pinoch’s story would’ve been even darker like Chuck’s) bc Pinocchio had someone there someone to help him out even when he didn’t know what to do or his father wasn’t there, there was still a guiding voice and Chuck was an orphan, I hope someone picks up his story one day and gives it a happier ending and puts someone in his life who cares or something.
Id like a revamped lore now. But where you call out FNaF fans. I believe i read something that Chuck E. Cheese’s is getting rid of their animatronics with no sign of upgrading them or revamping them. All of this happened after the FNaF movie was released because FNaF fans were attacking Chuck Em Cheesesyfor stealing the whole Five Nights idea, even though Chucks been doing it for a long time or- Pasqually after i watched this article.