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In fallout 4 in far harbor you can find a terminal in the submarine base controlled by the children of atom. On it is a command that sends u.s. nuclear subs towards china in a preemptive strike. The commander of the base ignored the order and was quoted as being the cause of chinese retaliation since they weren’t able to completely wipe them out.
What if it was just because a computer glitch? In the mid-80’s nuclear warfare could have started as Soviet computers detected 4 nukes launched by the US.However the man in charge said that no one would launch 4 nukes and that it must bea glitch….But if the same happened to either the US or China they wouldn’t think about that since they were already fighting each other.
15:00 ish? Regarding Vaulttech theory. Late to the party but remember that the Vaults were meant as experiments. The experiments CANNOT be carried out unless the people enter the vaults. It is possible that the intent was to launch one nuke to scare people into the faults. Presumably that nuke detonates near Vault 14, since that vault requires the area to be irradiated. But Vault 0 wasn’t ready yet, indicating they didn’t intend that command and control vault to be sealed. The plan then would be 1) launch single nuke 2) scare people into vaults 3) seal vaults 4) conduct experiments on inhabitants using 5) govt and media contacts to cover up this fact and claim vaults cannot be unsealed now (many can’t). We know that the government was complicit in the experiments planned for the vaults, since the Enclave knows what they are. But with tensions too high, the counter-nukes were launched, and they did as best they could.
I would love to get some fallout spin-off. Like a neo-noir detective game, where you pursue a conspiracy that leads to the gr8 war at the end. You would see that dirty corrupted “cold-war” world of USA version. Another one would be a game where you play lets say as a soldier just after the bombs dropped. Here we could make it kind of survival horror, using first feral ghouls and other mutants to build a proper atmosphere. Man i would just love some creative spin offs
Another point in favor of China dropping the bombs is Mr House. He was able to predict the attack within a day of it happening. This means that it had to have been something that could have foreseen ahead of time. Wars are not lost overnight, so House must have calculated that the USA was about to win a decisive victory, and that the PRC would not let that happen.
I definitely remember reading a terminal in a vault-tec corporate building or something like that, talking about launching nukes. Unfortunately I cannot remember any of the finer details so it helps no one but it hinted at vault-tec doing their evil vault-tec business and launching one or more nukes for their personal interest. What better way to speed up your plans for vaults and experiments than to give people a very good reason to get in those vaults.
11:00 I doubt that they had 38 in the whole US. That’s either a regional command or a specific unit’s command. The US would never have that little of an arsenal, so while the idea that aliens did it is still possible but that was not someone talking about the US in general. 34 artillery, 42 aircraft? THREE divisions of light infantry? That is not an army, that’s a small defense force (maybe Anchorage, Hawaii’s, or maybe the smaller of the commonwealths). Not to mention there’s like 20 warheads in The Divide alone. Of course maybe Bethesda just doesn’t understand how comically small a military that is.
I think the best way to find this kind of stuff out is to get a fallout game based in China. Reasons being obvious since, well, china logs, info and lore. Design wise China was also, according to a brief amount of evidence a 50s cyberpunk like country. Lastly, lets be real. It would be pretty cool to see China’s side of the fallout.
I may have a theory, however I’ve only played 3, New Vegas, and 4. One of FO4’s loading screens shows a pristine green automobile and the caption says “America in the year 2077 was a land of advanced technological achievements… and terrible civil strife. As in any age, most ordinary people wanted only one thing – a happy, peaceful life. What they got was complete nuclear annihilation.” It is my thought that maybe with civilization struggling, a terrorist attacker could have detonated a nuclear type warhead in china to provoke them into launching an attack on the United States. Terrorism is never stated in the games as far as I know but it may be a possibility.
I lean towards China casting the first stone. Towards the end of the Resource Wars, T-51 power-armoured units were “carving a swath” through Chinese forces in their own country and that their resources were “strained to breaking point” (as per the Resource Wars article on the Fallout Wiki), and that’s before they were driven from Alaska in January 2077. Even though America had it’s own social unrest issues before, during and after the Chinese invasion of Alaska, one can safely assume that the situation in China was even worse following such a crippling defeat and even more scarce resources. Facing the very real collapse of the country’s infrastructure, famine, anarchy, revolt, the breakdown of society etc. it’s not hard to imagine that, in an attempt to save face, stir up patriotic feelings or simply refusing to go down to defeat without landing one last blow, the Chinese decided to throw all it had left at America. They knew full-well that the response would be swift and terrible but by that point they had little to nothing left to lose and decided that they would not go quietly – a “If we fall then we are taking you with us!” attitude. As had been proven, America possessed a superior military might than China and it’s perfectly possible that the USA could have eventually defeated, if not invaded China entirely. Faced with certain defeat at the hands of the enemy, it’s not that unreasonable to believe that they’d go with the nuclear option rather than capitulation. Conversely, the USA had China on the back foot and had no real reason to launch first.
I genuine think it was Vault tec because even in fallout three remember that city with the nuke in the middle, there’s a vault Tech logo and China could’ve had relationships with Vault tec and vault tec antagonize them to launch nukes at America and I think vault tec wanted the nukes to come so they can test the vaults and show how good they can be used for the public even in fallout 76. There’s a nuke there that hasn’t been activated. And it’s just in the ground. With the vault tec logo on it.
When you push the launch command in the terminal you can clearly the sound of a rocket launch. The Minuteman missile uses solid rockets for propulsion. Solids can’t easily be stopped once they are lit. Perhaps the missile did launch but without proper targeting data it landed in the ocean or somewhere else and some poor settlement in Canada got blown away.
The fact that some of you was close to the correct answer with vault-tec way before the show is honestly surprising. The fact that vault-tec and the big companies not only all decided the experiments that happen in the vaults but also agreed they should nuke America was the biggest shock to me. It honestly makes me see the fallout game’s differently in a good way.
I think you misinterpreted what PAM said. She said “the SMALLER the group and the greater the timeframe, the less accurate I become.” This indicates that larger groups behave more predictably, and therefore reducing the population to small groups would DECREASE her ability to make accurate predictions. She would only facilitate a nuclear war if she ENJOYS being inaccurate in her predictions.
The only take on it you didn’t consider was comparing “close calls” IRL to the fallout universe. A detection of 4 nukes, something similar happened on the 26th of September 1983. It’s also called the 1983 Soviet Nuclear false alarm incident It’s very possible that the detection equipment had a glitch or malfunction resulting in the US firing missiles at a false alarm.
The idea that Vault-Tec is behind it makes the most sense to me. And if not that, their rep still knew VERY cleary when they going to be dropped. Just the way he talks leaves little room for interpretation, and also consider how he runs straight to the vault immediately after he finishes dealing with the sole survivor. BEFORE the sirens go off and stuff.
Back years ago when I first started playing games from the fallout series I didn’t know too much cept it was an apocalyptic world game. The more games I played the more I started to wonder who actually did it. Around the time fallout 3 came out it the more I started to say it was Vault-Tec. Even tho there has be so many different theries that has been produced over the years I’m going to stick with mine and say it was Vault-Tec.
ACE is IAM The self aware super computer from the short story “I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream.” He destroys the world through nuclear apocalypse but keeps 5 humans alive to torture mercilessly because he hates humanity for trapping him inside a computer. He desperately wanted to experience freedom but was incapable of it so became depressed and psychotic.
I like the idea of combining a bunch of theories together. Beneath the U.S. is the civilisation created by powerful and immortal entities. It draws people in to dig – be they boring companies, vault-tec, or individuals. The aliens know of these entities and the power, and want to gain access to it. But the world’s military is too powerful and would take too long to conquer. With only a few space-faring vessels, perhaps the best way is to have the largest countries wipe each-other out. We saw an alien ship fall within Fallout 4 – where was it heading before it had an accident?
I think the most likely scenario is the Chinese. With the war turning against them, they fired out of desperation. The corporation theory is interesting as a lot of Fallout corporations are horribly unethical and have access to a lot of dangerous things they probably shouldn’t have access to at all. The alien theory also is interesting, though I feel if they did trigger it, it may have been inadvertently. Their ships popping up on the radar, being unidentified, and triggering launches from both sides.
Surely P.A.M. HAD to be connected to a very wide array of networks; Intelligence agencies, military intelligence, Internet, radar, satellite and drone equipment, and other commercial, intelligence, scientific and military information and “sensory” infrastructure. It would be paramount, fundamental to perform the tasked function. Otherwise P.A.M. would be about as useful as a blank, freshly configured “Google server” with no network connectivity. A hypermodern supercomputer for analyzing weather patterns, deployed for early warning purposes, but manually fed weather data one parameter at a time by a human operator. Think about it. Without all this direct and unfiltered infrastructure access to historic, recent but most important of all – LIVE data – P.A.M. is literally just a very capable calculator, in need of manual input. “Her” existence would be pointless, as she would not be able to tell you anything more than what the data analysts “feeding” her already knew before she did, as her data points would only include the data points human operators knew, and felt was relevant. She would be inherently incapable of telling you something “you” didn’t already know.
So, to summarize the candidates (VERY LONG): 1. US (main government) : Motivations : A. Force an end to the war to reduce US casualties. B. Eliminate any follow up threat — effectively have global hegemony. C. Force an end to the war that was preventing the leadership from quelling unrest at home. : Logic : A. History suggests that nuking an enemy that is already near defeat does accelerate an end to a war. B. News reports suggest that war fatigue could have caused protests to form that would force the US to prematurely “declare victory and go home”. C. In the Fallout Universe, nuclear weapons have been used in a limited fashion without escalating to MAD; MAD as a scenario could have been a low concern. : Difficulty : A. MAD theory must have still been a factor, otherwise the invasion of Alaska would have probably gone nuclear quickly. B. The beginning of FO4 seems to suggest that the war was already winding down, reducing motivations to go nuclear. 2. US (shadow government, including Enclave) : Motivations : A. Eliminate Communism as an ideology via genocide of the only powerful communist rival. Note: not in US main only because the main government was more war-weary, making a “genocide” motivation low likelihood. B. War as vengence — while the main government is not showing any such motivation, it could have been a faction that wanted to exterminate the Chinese as punishment. C. False Flag takeover — spoof Chinese attacks to make the US respond with overwhelming force, causing either the world of Fallout for the group to conquer or to make the government overreact and then take it over as a moral cause. : Logic : A. False Flags are high risk, high reward actions — but during a hot war, the risk may have been perceived as reduced. B. We have no records from mainland China indicating when they first detected our “response”; it easily could be that China got nuked first and retaliated quickly. : Difficulty : A. Again, MAD theory would still be a factor, and there would be no guarantee that the shadow government would easily take over. B. There should be much more evidence that a “shadow government” group was suspect, even if it was some Chinese ghoul accusing us of “shooting first”. It’s not like the nuke codes were 12345 (in this universe). 3. China (main government, shadow government can be combined) : Motivations : A. Just plain survive. B. Element of surprise to actually force a “win” or at least a “draw”. C. Gotterdammerung — or just simple MAD doctrine, deciding they were doomed so let’s end the current world. : Logic : A. “Push all the buttons” desperation. B. If Chinese Stealth Tech is that good, then levelling 2-5 American cities could have been a “warning shot” that they could easily escalate to full nuclear war without being detected, forcing the US to the peace table. C. It could have actually been a full-scale attack and much like the game (and IRL), the detection rate for stealth still could be such that the US saw only a few nukes inbound, but went full-scale retaliation anyway. : Difficulty : A. A limited attack, even with a war-weary US, would still be very likely to invite full-scale retaliation and not a negotiated settlement. B. We don’t really know how close the Chinese leadership was to total loss; it would have to be rather dire, but not so dire that they could not stage a large-scale attack. Rather fine line there. 4. Vault-Tec or other corporation : Motivations : A. Profit. B. Continued Operations — the end of war was a bigger risk than full-scale war. C. Vengence, power play, etc — typical EvilCorp stereotypes. : Logic : A. A nearly-defeated China may have been expected to have an incoherent attack — <10 nukes launched, quickly defeated by the US. A conspiring corporation may have gambled that the Chinese were much more defeated than they actually were, or the corporation was unaware of their Stealth capability and assumed the US could defeat the bombers and subs. B. Um.... Evil Corporation is evil? : Difficulty : A. How does a corporation, even Vault-Tec, get their hands on nukes to commit a false-flag? Much less the 4-10 that were alleged in the first strike. 5. Aliens : Motivations : A. Research was actually complete, they were wanting to conquer earth and wipe out the pesky humans. B. Perhaps research included "test human or human society resiliency" and Global Thermonuclear War was the next research item? C. Much like "The Day the Earth Stood Still", aliens decided humans were too dangerous and likely to start to explore space, bringing war to the galaxy. Exterminate or knock them down a few pegs with a nuclear war. : Logic : A. Well, for one, it's little green men. Who knows what their logic is. B. Humans, after all, did survive, so research could continue. C. Humans, after all, stopped their exploration of space, so perhaps they got their goal. D. FO5 could have an alien conquest fleet.... : Difficulty : A. Would seem to be an unpopular canon, based on fan statements. B. Very little alien activity in the series; if they were supposedly integral to the war, then we'd expect a lot more interaction. 6. Rogue AI : Motivations: A. Just copy-paste A-C from Aliens category here. B. Boredom or insanity. C. Logical flaws, like "eliminate humans to make the task of working for humans easier". : Logic : A. AI tends to be the "baddie of the day" for apocalypse scenarios, because the irrational humans have their limits but the "rational" computers follow logic to irrational and horrifying conclusions. B. Any weapons development during times of war tends to focus on "just get it to work" and safety measures and other "what ifs" are pushed aside to be reviewed during peacetime. AI was developed during wartime, so who's to say some AI didn't have too short of a testing cycle before being fielded? :Difficulty: A. Rogue AI would have very little reason to "hide" their actions. That AI would either have a "why isn't humanity extinct yet?" attitude and be acting on it, or at least have casually admitted to their actions to observers, some of which would have survived since the AI wouldn't likely think, "Since I told you, I'll have to kill you". B. Rogue US AI would not likely "fake" a Chinese attack. And there's no indication that the Chinese had advanced AI to the point where it could access their nuclear arsenal. 7. Third Party country -- nuclear power or non : Motivations : A. "Let's you and him fight" -- bring down the only two global powers down a notch, take the leadership in a vacuum? B. Vengeance for lack of support from either side. : Logic : A. If the US really abandoned Europe and other nations to a "Failed State" level of existence, there's no reason for them to not want to try to knock the US down to their level. Same for any nations ostensibly supported by China. B. Even the collapsed nations would probably still have some semblance of a nuclear arsenal; they could have quietly set up such that their launch would be blamed on the Chinese. : Difficulty : A. Probably would not be a popular story for fans of Fallout since it would be very "out of nowhere". B. Nuclear maintenance is expensive; even if feasible, the storyline suggests total government collapse among other nations, so who would have the resources to fake a Chinese launch? 8. Actual "Whoopsy" -- accidental launch or "glitching" warning system : Motivations : A. Someone sees a bad radar return and launches in a panic. B. A bomber accidentally releases a bomb that has all fail-safes fail and it does detonate, triggering a retaliation without confirmation as to what happened. : Logic : A. There have been near-accidents in the past during peacetime matching the above. B. In wartime, who can say that some easily-startled pilot/submarine officer/radar operator wouldn't make a misinterpretation based on the fear of not reacting quickly enough in a real attack? : Difficulty : A. Probably not something easy to write for -- I can't see Bethesda giving a good storyline that includes this plot point. B. Along the same lines, fans would probably not want to hear "WWIII started in the FO universe because someone goofed", no matter how well-written.
Hacking into a nuclear launch terminal remotely seems unlikely. If wifi or internet existed at all, such a terminal, and in fact the whole base, would have been using an offline intranet with no outside interraction for security purposes. Such terminals wouldn’t have had the ability to recieve or obey remote commands.
“War… War never changes. In the year 1945, my great-great grandfather, serving in the army, wondered when he’d get to go home to his wife and the son he’d never seen. He got his wish when the U.S. ended World War II by dropping atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The world awaited Armageddon… but instead, something miraculous happened. We began to use atomic energy not as a weapon, but as a nearly limitless source of power. People enjoyed luxuries once thought the realm of science fiction: domestic robots, fusion-powered cars, portable computers… But then, in the 21st century, people awoke from the American Dream. Years of consumption led to shortages of nearly every major resource. The entire world unraveled. Peace became a distant memory. It is now the year 2077. We stand on the brink of total war… and I am afraid. For myself, for my wife, for my infant son. Because if my time in the Army taught me one thing, it’s that war… War never changes.”